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CCP when can we expect to see cloaking require interaction to stay cloaked?

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Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#61 - 2013-06-07 04:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyniss
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Dyniss wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Sure, just make cyno jammers require actively being fueled ozone separately from the tower and at a large rate.


This is a good idea too. Adding a fuel cost to the pos module itself allows the sov holder to switch it off and when they need it most. This allows them to keep the logistical backbone going. And you can also 'lock the system down' when you need to deal with the cloaky intruder.


Logistics directors all over nullsec just barfed in your direction.


In its current form I totally agree with you. But what if the changed the cyno jammers off lining/onlining time to that equal of a dreads siege cycle? This way you're not killing your logistics. They can also balance the fuel cost to keep the structure online so it's used more as a defensive tool, rather than something you keep on all the time.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-06-07 04:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Dyniss wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Dyniss wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
Sure, just make cyno jammers require actively being fueled ozone separately from the tower and at a large rate.


This is a good idea too. Adding a fuel cost to the pos module itself allows the sov holder to switch it off and when they need it most. This allows them to keep the logistical backbone going. And you can also 'lock the system down' when you need to deal with the cloaky intruder.


Logistics directors all over nullsec just barfed in your direction.


In its current form I totally agree with you. But what if the changed the cyno jammers off lining time to that equal to a dreads siege cycle? This way you're not killing your logistics. Just balance the fuel cost to keep the structure online so it's used more as a defensive tool, rather than something you keep on all the time.


This is pretty much how they are used already. Strategic systems tend to have the things anchored but not onlined and they are turned on in times of need. There's literally no need to change the system at all.

Sidenote: If you find a system that's permanently cynojammed, congratulations you likely just found a CSAA or two building supers.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2013-06-07 04:54:10 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Given that an afk cloaker cant do anything to another player I dont see any need for change.


Just the act its self of being afk changes the game for others. It should require interaction just like every other part of the game.


So you think we should also be active when docked or in a pos or get kicked out?

The only difference between the three is that you also show up on d-scan while in the pos.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-06-07 05:01:04 UTC
Ships that have a cloaking devices can not fit cyno's, problem solved. If one person is shutting down a whole system you must have bad security.

Something clever
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-06-07 05:04:45 UTC
Alternatively you can just not be in a garbage corp/alliance that has to rent a single system from someone who doesn't suck.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#66 - 2013-06-07 05:32:57 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Ships that have a cloaking devices can not fit cyno's, problem solved. If one person is shutting down a whole system you must have bad security.

Which, you know, doesn't defeat the whole purpose of blackops fleets, the entire recon, bomber, t3 covert line...

No, no, that would solve so many non-existent problems while breaking nothing of value!

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#67 - 2013-06-07 05:35:04 UTC
Yup, AFK mining is gone. AFK cloaking has much greater impact on the economy and the social aspects of the game than any AFK miner ever did. Surely it is time to add the loot spew mechanic to cloaking!

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#68 - 2013-06-07 05:53:17 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Just like with the ice miners needing interaction so to should the cloaker.

How is an AFK cloaker profiting by being AFK in any random system? Don't compare AFK cloaking to ice mining please.

Oh god.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#69 - 2013-06-07 06:07:11 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Given that an afk cloaker cant do anything to another player I dont see any need for change.


Just the act its self of being afk changes the game for others. It should require interaction just like every other part of the game.


I had sarcastically written nerf afk all kinds of things earlier. But just because its sarcastic does not mean its not true...

I play the market AFK.
I autopilot AFK.
I manufacture AFK.
I POS sit AFK.
I stay docked AFK.

So you see, the only thing the act of being cloaked afk changes for others is their perception.

Since they don't perceive danger in any of the other activities, they don't cry about it.

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#70 - 2013-06-07 06:10:40 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU)


Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game?


You let people who aren't actually playing the game have an impact on you? When has an AFK cloaked guy ever killed someone?


all the cloaked people in Jita are causing traffic jams, leading to suicide ganks.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-06-07 06:11:57 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please.

In the words of the late but great Bartel & James "Thank you for your suppport"


You must be a bitter null-bear.
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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-06-07 06:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Verity Sovereign
CCP can require interaction to stay cloaked when it requires interaction to see who is in system, rather than just looking at local.

Going in system and logging off is no different than going in system and cloaking, except you still show up in local.

Free intel from local is the problem.
AFK cloaking is the solution.

Stop trying to break the game.

If you get to nerf cloaking, then I want 100 km radius T1 smartbombs that deal 200k damage and can be mounted on a rookie frig.
Won't be imbalanced at all....



handige harrie wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU)


Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game?


You let people who aren't actually playing the game have an impact on you? When has an AFK cloaked guy ever killed someone?


all the cloaked people in Jita are causing traffic jams, leading to suicide ganks.



Ummm... cloaking has nothing do do with the limits in Jita. They can just enter Jita, and dock up... and then people will start piling up at the gates into Jita,
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#73 - 2013-06-07 06:49:26 UTC
This thread again Roll


Nullsec whiners tears best tears Question

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Citizen of Solitude
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2013-06-07 06:50:46 UTC
I should camp more now that we are ~officially~ invading.

But then again they're evacing all the PVE stuff anyway so there would be no point I guess.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#75 - 2013-06-07 06:56:30 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
How about INTERACT TFU (ITFU)


Why should someone in bed or at the store be allowed to have an impact on others who are in game?


Please let me know how I can cause you harm when I am cloaked.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#76 - 2013-06-07 07:04:32 UTC
How about a compromise.

Fuel for cloaks AND no more local in nullsec.


No?

How about ships being able to dial in system to system warp without gates?


No?


Ah, somebody wants to run bots safely behind their renters.


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BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#77 - 2013-06-07 07:04:49 UTC
Pls no more "afk cloakers are ruining my system" threads or I will cry
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-06-07 07:04:58 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Title says it all. Lets get busy devs and make this happen soon please.


That's horrible, why would any sane person want that? o_O

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2013-06-07 07:08:22 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Pls no more "afk cloakers are ruining my system" threads or I will cry

I'm not sure f those tears or the "afk cloakers are ruining my system" tears are better...

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-06-07 07:12:22 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
To require interaction with the game. Somone not even at the keyboard or in game should not be able to influence the actions or decisions of others that are in game and at thier keyboard.

Some will argue that if they are afk then there is no influence. I say they are wrong and are onlly trying to preserve a form of AFK play.

AFK is AFK weather its the miner or the cloaker. If not afk then click the button to stay cloaked for another 10-15 min.

If your not in game playing the game then you should really not be able to effect the choices of those who are.


But... If You let an AFK cloaker influence Your actions, then that's Your decision. Yours alone, nobody has forced or will ever be able to force You to do anything else just by being afk, that's just not possible.

Mind Control Rays have not yet been invented.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.