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Warcalibre
NovaTech Holdings
#121 - 2013-06-06 19:52:35 UTC
OP, I heard a great new song by DJ Velator called "I can has? (your stuff)". I think you would like it.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#122 - 2013-06-06 20:18:58 UTC
OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Collin Dow
Glorious Revolution
#123 - 2013-06-06 20:18:59 UTC
I, what? How delusional are you?

The Glorious Revolution is a great (awful) corp, and you should (not) join today, comrade!
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-06-06 20:59:49 UTC
WH's are a great starting point, they are geared towards smaller groups looking to be more adventurous, get like 3-4 guys and take some alts and get yourself a WH.
Step 1: Go in WH
Step 2: Run sites
Step 2: Raid every system in null/low/WH you link to when it is empty.
Step 3: Have reinforcements ready, or allies you can call upon.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#125 - 2013-06-06 21:06:58 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.



I go to nullsec a lot, using wormholes to get past the Great Wall of Carebear. In deep null, nobody can hear you make tons of ISK.


What you did wrong was, you tried to play by "da rules". Their rules. You probably didn't like it from the start.

What I wonder is, why is everybody so braindead that they can't think outside of the box? Yeah it's a sandbox alright, but c'mon this is as bad as everybody getting stuck in the same traffic on the same road every day.


Why are these small corps not going to null in wolf packs and raiding with T2/3 and raking it in? Oh, they'll get blobbed! Really? A single ship will get blobbed too. Isn't making an alliance have to divert a blob after a small gang AND THEN NOT CATCH THEM worth anything?

You see, OP, you played by the perception of rules, that really don't exist. You went with "well it's all about alliances and blobs" and probably could not deal with it, because said organizations are already established. This is normal actually. Try starting a business in a competitive market where the fat cats already buy up politicians to make it harder to start a business.

So you think you have to fight the blob with the blob, literally, and could not come up with your own blob.

You started with the wrong answer because you had the wrong question.


Oh well. Can I have your stuff?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Rogue Aspire
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#126 - 2013-06-06 21:20:22 UTC
I has goggles
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2013-06-06 22:18:35 UTC
Rogue Aspire wrote:
I has goggles


They do nothing

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#128 - 2013-06-06 22:24:14 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Rogue Aspire wrote:
I has goggles


They do nothing


fyp

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#129 - 2013-06-06 22:56:14 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.


No, this is an easy button reaction to a problem EVE has adopted as suitable and legit.

To the OP, this game is 10 years old. Just like any game that has been out a decade, there are vets so deeply entrenched in to the game, you will never break their control. They are here in the form of null blobs and you are right. You will never beat them. Wait out games like ArcheAge and Black Desert. They will provide a sandbox experience that allows people who just want to create something without the forced requirement that in so doing, you need to take it from someone else. What most people who sandbox game are looking for.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#130 - 2013-06-06 23:22:00 UTC
As someone that shares your exact goals, owning sov, and also came to the same conclusion, requires massive Alliances, i'd offer the same advice that i concluded, wormhole space!! As far as it goes to being able to carve out a small piece of EvE to call your own, wormhole space is the last remaining bastion of hope to small corporations of dedicated individuals.

I went through the exact same phase of enjoying (sarcasm) nullsec, and all the various political rubbish and call-to-arms. Most people are nothing but a tiny cog in a massive machine, and its certainly a far cry from the goal of acually wanting to own some space for yourself. You could, of course, go through all the hassle of actually making an Alliance yourself. But most people that have achieved that goal will admit, thats its nigh-on a second job.

I'd highly recommend you give wormhole space a shot before you finally commit to quitting. Its definately possible to own a system in the lower-classes if you can find an empty one and can afford the fuel costs, and more than possible to hold long-term with a well setup large tower.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Kharamete
Royal Assent
#131 - 2013-06-06 23:48:26 UTC
The essence of Eve is this, straight from the horse's mouth.

Eve Fanfest 2013

"Players are not entitled to success. The most aspirational goals are coveted by many, but reached by few."
-- CCP Soundwave, lead designer, Eve Online

Only if a win is hard and difficult is it worth anything. Only if failure is a likelyhood does a victory feel real.

This is why many of us play Eve.

CCP FoxFour: "... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB."

My little youtube videos can be found here
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#132 - 2013-06-07 00:18:09 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Helios Aquiness wrote:
People say EVE isnt really a sandbox game is due mostly to the fact that it is a sandbox game. Its the players hording all the nullsec areas that make it seem like you cant do what you want. Technically you CAN, but you need to play by their rules or find a clever way to work around it.

When I first started, I had one goal. Fly the biggest most badass ships available. Then I found that titans and super carriers needed an alliance to build it for you.
So I had a second goal. Make a name for myself in industry and set up my own moon mineing operation. Same problem, only alliances can really do that effectivly, Yes it is POSSIBLE for one man in an alt corp to do it but the big boys usually wont let them.

As much as I would love to be a lone wolf in a interactive world, nearlly every MMO out there seems to frown on that. Minecraft is really the only game where you can play online with people and still do everything alone if you wish. But its not in space :(.

I stick with it, I always do, but one day, Im sure there will come an mmo, one where you can perform EVERY aspect of the game alone, but still have others to play with and show off too if you wish.

Its not a sandbox game in null. The mechanics have been changed in null so that thers really only one way to play there and thats huge power bloc blob warrfare. Take away those mechanics that force players to play to that one style and you have sandbox again. Things like ease of power projection, cheap supercap n cap travel its a cancer to other groups trying to make a start in a remote part of null - because there is no remote section when within a short space of time a power bloc half way across the map can open a cyno drop a huge fleet in with almost no effort or risk and be back in save systems in no time at all.

401k, BL, rooks and kings, and PL would like to say hi.
the big power blocks can be taken on by small forces if you are happy to live in npc null and pick your fights. 3/6 FCON titans dead within 2 weeks shows that smaller groups can have a big impact.
To the OP moving to null is easy i am a 2013 player FFS. making an impact is easy too. starting your own corp/alliance that doesn't fail isn't easy and really shouldn't be. i would say 90% of corps in game are utterly fail, should never have been formed and are run by people that are clueless/ uninvolved. It takes work and IRL skills to run those things and make them a success, You clearly either suck at it or didn't put in the work. i would suck at it even if i put in the work (whcih i wouldn't). no biggie there are plenty of decent corps/alliances that do what you want to do. no shame in admitting that you aren't perfect at running such things and joining people that do it well

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
TravisWB
#133 - 2013-06-07 01:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: TravisWB
I'm with the OP.
Once I had read all about the coming changes I went ahead and cancelled my last 2 remaining subs. 2 are already dormant and this one goes to sleep in 13 days.
So I have like 180 mil combined SP in 3 accounts and around 25 bil isk in assets.
CCP has nerfed this game for hisec with every single expansion since Tyrannis. I have spent a lot of time in low sec and CCP has been nerfing that as well.
Because it is true, CCP wants this to be a plex as you go null sec pvp arena.
So I have mothballed fleets of ships, closed down all five of my personal moon mining poses in the alliance im in, stacked all the crap none of you can have in my 3 main bases and then that is going to be it.
3 years of yearly and then quarterly paid dual subs are over.
It is true, the end game for Eve is that you become a battle thrall for some malevolent lord in the part of null you are nearest to. It is these very same wicked and dastardly thralls that have little to do besides carry their wont for destruction into all parts of EVE. Seeing as how Null is so much fun they can't seem to stand being there.
But basically, EVE has reached END GAME FAIL.
It is now EXACTLY like WOW.
adios o/.
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2013-06-07 02:42:43 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
dexington wrote:
I have a hard time seen what the purpose of making a null-sec alliance without any connection to the rest of null would be, a big part of null is fighting over territory and just fighting in general. If you just want to do you own thing and have your own place, low-sec, npc null or wormholes are probably more suited.


But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.

Want A = do A

Want B = do B

But...

A can't do B because A is only supported to do A.

In a true sandbox, A can do B as there's no EXTERNAL conditions.

The external conditions in EvE are:

1. Dev hard limits.
2. Capital.
3. Assets.
4. Players.
5. Unintended/Intended schemes/exploits/scams (like the T3 stranglehold, which began as an exploit, which went unfixed).

The pie in the sky ideas of "Go west, young man!" in the idea he could accomplish things by sheer work, doesn't jive with those external conditions. He has to not only build his empire, he has to rely on the sovereign to even allow it to happen.

Snarky comments about singleplayer point to the fact the only sovereign in it is in fact the player, who could build his empire and doesn't have to wait for the sovereign to get their head out of their rear to fix a problem to actually have an empire.

Sandbox in EvE is conditional, there's built in limits, and some a player can't even control.


Imagine a real-life sandbox. Let's say you want to play with other people in it, but there's nobody else around. That doesn't make it any less of a sandbox, even though you're not able to do what you want in it. You might want to make castles in it using a bucket and spade, but its no less of a sandbox just because you don't have those things.
Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
#135 - 2013-06-07 03:41:23 UTC
To those who suggested it, I have tried Wormhole space on several occasions, once for several months. I didn't find it appealing. Wormhole space is viable, but it's a secondary option when the primary goal cannot be achieved, which is a compromise. I'm tired of compromising in this game, and no it's not a whine. The definition of insanity is repeating the same results, but expecting different results. However, that is exactly what CCP expects and forces you to do. And, in the process, pvp is prolific, which is their main focus regardless.

Also, my intention in building an alliance and claiming sovereignty was a means to an end, not the end result. I believe in democracy, wherein I wanted to create a democratic refuge for all those who felt likewise hatred for personality cults and deranged psychopaths. Hello Mittens...

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2013-06-07 03:46:22 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.


So you're just dissing the entire player base now?

Because guess what? Everyone demands changes in a game.

This forum is proof positive of it!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#137 - 2013-06-07 04:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.


Pretty much this. Play the game. You aren't paying for a design studio, so you get to play the game they want to make. All community suggestions aside, most of the things the OP doesn't like, will never change.

Quote:
To those who suggested it, I have tried Wormhole space on several occasions, once for several months. I didn't find it appealing. Wormhole space is viable, but it's a secondary option when the primary goal cannot be achieved, which is a compromise. I'm tired of compromising in this game, and no it's not a whine. The definition of insanity is repeating the same results, but expecting different results. However, that is exactly what CCP expects and forces you to do. And, in the process, pvp is prolific, which is their main focus regardless.

Also, my intention in building an alliance and claiming sovereignty was a means to an end, not the end result. I believe in democracy, wherein I wanted to create a democratic refuge for all those who felt likewise hatred for personality cults and deranged psychopaths. Hello Mittens...


See, I think you're getting hung up naming conventions. Sovereignty is a place that other people don't go because you'll kill them. Wormhole space fits that pretty damn well.

Also, your first mistake. Starting an alliance with the stated intent of taking down the Goons. Killboards are clogged with their victims. They've buried better than you, many times, and they will keep on doing it. Here's the thing about Goon hatred. The people who hate on them incessantly are not the kind of people who are capable of the kind of organization needed to take them down. It's very literally a case of the have-nots hating on the haves.

That said, if you are still quitting... your stuff would make a nice donation to my freighter fund?

[Edit: Also, on the deranged psychopaths thing. They're not. They are playing the game, and at the same time rejecting the "unwritten rules" of other players. It's pretty consistent. Furthermore, the people who get called psychos by other players the most on the forums, The Goons and the New Order guys in particular, are some of the most well spoken, articulate people I've ever had a conversation with in game. Don't trust them any farther than point range, but still.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-06-07 04:06:57 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.


You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.


You don't get goons at all. I'm in one of the two corporations in eve where I am literally free and encouraged to do whatever I want. Dreddit being the other.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-06-07 04:10:59 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.


You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.


You don't get goons at all. I'm in one of the two corporations in eve where I am literally free and encouraged to do whatever I want. Dreddit being the other.


Can't blame people associating the name to the subject. If you have to keep coming back with "you don't get goons at all" that's a PR problem with the name and reputation.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2013-06-07 04:13:40 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.


You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.


You don't get goons at all. I'm in one of the two corporations in eve where I am literally free and encouraged to do whatever I want. Dreddit being the other.


Can't blame people associating the name to the subject. If you have to keep coming back with "you don't get goons at all" that's a PR problem with the name and reputation.


Not a Goon, or even any other kind of nullsec on this char(my main is retired/******** anyway). And I have to say, it's not a PR problem. It's a stupidity problem.

People get ace'd or scammed, and the first thing they think is "Goons did it". Market crashes? Goons did it.

They are a convenient scapegoat for all the ills of the playerbase, because more than anyone else so far, they have "won" at EVE. They can literally do whatever they feel like, and most people can't stop them. Thus, they get hated on by the helpless.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.