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a question for the uber space rich

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-05 11:52:12 UTC
This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you?
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#2 - 2013-06-05 12:03:19 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you?


Do you mean for pimping your Avatar or RL swag?

Personally, I'm cold to the idea either way but then again, I'm more a man of substance than style.

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-05 12:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
I mean rl swag. I happen to be an artist and a designer with the tools connections & skill to produce almost anything. I work in jewelery and accessories specializing in leather but I also do clothing.

I specified "uber space rich" because the (very loose/only conceptual at this stage) idea would be to make limited runs of very highquality goods to trade for plex

Edit:

Quote:
I'm more a man of substance than style


As a man who works in the fashion industry, I can with some authority that there is plenty of substance in style & whats more, being a man of substance is always in style
RAW23
#4 - 2013-06-05 12:36:33 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:

I specified "uber space rich" because the (very loose/only conceptual at this stage) idea would be to make limited runs of very highquality goods to trade for plex.


I suspect you will find that this is against the EULA, as it will consist in exchanging goods with an out of game value for isk.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

RAW23
#5 - 2013-06-05 12:37:09 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:

As a man who works in the fashion industry, I can with some authority that there is plenty of substance in style & whats more, being a man of substance is always in style


This line is stylish but completely lacking in substance.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

HalfArse
Wixo Trading Co.
#6 - 2013-06-05 12:45:13 UTC
plus wouldnt there be a copyright issue? making and selling stuff with eve logos/images etc?
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-05 12:58:54 UTC
HalfArse wrote:
plus wouldnt there be a copyright issue? making and selling stuff with eve logos/images etc?


It wouldn't apply.

1. I'm not making and actual currency
2. I wouldn't use EVE's logo or branding
3. The fashion industry is free of copyright laws & utility patents. Only trademarks apply (see 2.)

@Raw You may have a point with the EULA. I did just get off of a 12hr shift so maybe I will take some time to study the document and reassess after a nap.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#8 - 2013-06-05 13:34:18 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
This is just a bit of preliminary market research. If you had the option to buy EVE related swag, well designed & high quality ofc, for ISK or PLEX would you?

If CCP were offering real world items for ISK, PLEX, AURUM or whatever then I would happily buy them. Personally, I would be more interested in things like Graphics Cards, Laptops, Gaming PCs, peripherals and the EVE collectors edition than clothing.

But that is a world away from exchanging isk for bootleg clothes in a likely EULA breaking transaction.
Max Wager
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-05 14:18:59 UTC
It really depends on what you make. If you make tacky looking poorly fitting shirts, then no I wouldn't take them if you paid me. The problem with EVE paraphernalia is that my EVE addiction is not really something I run around to people bragging about.

I would definitely buy computer upgrades for isk.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-05 14:33:49 UTC
between the EULA, quality expectations and copyright issues, i imagine the niche for your venture to be very thin. i am still curious about how this will turn out though.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#11 - 2013-06-05 14:35:08 UTC
I'd agree with BB, computer/gaming related things I would happily trade for PLEX. When CPP had that video card offer for PLEX I was one of the lucky few who got one. Not because I needed the video card mine was already better, but it was for the fact I could. I gave that card away to a friend.Lol

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-05 20:40:44 UTC
Interesting. I personally embrace my inner nerd. Lets be honest, its an outer nerd. As far as gaming gear goes I guess I could do custom vinyls for laptops and cases. I know I can do mouse pads but thats tacky.

To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD.
Adunh Slavy
#13 - 2013-06-05 20:50:48 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:

To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD.



Approach CCP, ask them about royalties and what not.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-06 02:22:45 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:

Approach CCP, ask them about royalties and what not.


The concept of royalties doesn't apply as I'm not RMT'ing & if I were the answer would certainly be no. I can't really see CCP asking for a cut of any ISK I might make. I can however see going through with the plan, underground, and finding thqt CCP demand ALL of my ISK leaving me in the negative for hundreds of millions. That would suck.

The real question here is wether or not I'm inducing the EULA clause having to do with RMT by encouraging others to transfer in game content for out of game items. The issue is that by utilizing high level meta gaming to route game mechanics with skills and resources that others may not possess puts said others at a stark disadvantage in the ISK race.

Having perused the EVE store however, their swag is utterly lacking in swagger. Perhaps I will contact CCP just to see if they want to buy my designs for their own RMT efforts. Hell, I would even sell to CCP direct for PLEX. If they used the overstock they hold from permabanned accounts it could be a pretty sweet deal for the both of us.
Adunh Slavy
#15 - 2013-06-06 04:19:10 UTC
I would imagine, for tax and legal reasons, they'd not be able to pay you in PLEX. But you could buy PLEX.

What have you got to loose? All they can do is say no.

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O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-06 12:44:52 UTC
Isn't this the same as paying someone isk for designing a logo for your website/killboard or is that illegal as well perhaps?
Boomhaur
#17 - 2013-06-06 13:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Closest thing I'd get is something along the lines of a Kershaw Cryo with a proper brown/rust type coating that will hold up to abuse with a Rifter on the handle. It's a knife for those you who don't know.

Or even better the Cryo II when that is released, same thing but instead larger 2.75in vs 3.38in blade off memory.

Safe to say this is very wishful thinking.

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RAW23
#18 - 2013-06-06 13:06:30 UTC
O'nira wrote:
Isn't this the same as paying someone isk for designing a logo for your website/killboard or is that illegal as well perhaps?


CCP make limited exceptions to their policy when it comes to out-of-game services that are directly related to in-game use or functionality. I doubt they would make a similar exception for items that would have a transferable out of game value (a silver eve ring, for example), since this would be tantamount to legitimising RMT by the back door. 1) Use isk to buy something that has intrinsic non-eve-related value value but has an eve logo on it. 2) Then sell the item for real money to someone who wants it for its intrinsic value and doesn't care about the eve logo. Essentially, I would have traded isk for cash via a middleman.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#19 - 2013-06-06 23:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
If this was to work I think Eve would just allow you to use the Eve store items with plex.

That would inflate the hell out of plex though.

So my real question to you is.

If it's Eve related swag wouldn't it need to use Eve logo's and such. (( Like the other Eve stuff I already own? ))

Or would it be just generic clothes made to look like in game Eve items?
(( I can already buy black/white/red addias and fast and furious 6 stuff at the mall ))

I'm not sure exactly what customer base you are looking for.

If you have good look a like gear on the jackets and shirts and maybe the not so tight pants it might be worth buying.
(( Not so baggy black cargo pants as an example ))

Your toon looks to be just young enough to have missed the old eve store.

It had a lot of swag. (( I got multiple gurrista items, blood raider shirts, amarr key chain, art books, coaster, plenty of other nerdy items even patches and playing cards ))

They shut down the store back in October. Was horrible timing as it was right before Christmas and I had to change my entire list.

I think you should approach them about what you can do and see if they like your stuff enough to add you as a vendor.

They use to do laptop covers as well. Pretty sure that market already got saturated.

If CCP didn't think it was worth it to keep stuff on the store due to lack of sells it might be hard to find a customer base at all.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#20 - 2013-06-07 01:45:35 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Interesting. I personally embrace my inner nerd. Lets be honest, its an outer nerd. As far as gaming gear goes I guess I could do custom vinyls for laptops and cases. I know I can do mouse pads but thats tacky.

To be perfectly honest though, after a refreshing nap and some strong coffee it seems quite clear that this does violate the EULA. Oh well. Back to the drawing board. Thanks for entertaining the idea MD.


RMT = super forbidden (insta perma ban). You are not directly money trading but you are still value trading.

The act of giving a RL valued good for a CCP property = trading the good equivalent value = money for CCP property = RMT.
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