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War Dec Intel

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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2013-06-06 06:49:14 UTC
Many players like hi-sec war decs. The problem is that many corps/alliances continually change the targets weekly. This presents a problem when sharing intel to out of corp/alliance friends or alts.

Currently, you have to add and remove all wars of a corp/alliance one by one. The Marmite Collective for example, has +90 wars at the moment, so its very reminiscent of doing pi for me (which I hate). *click *click *click for hours every week.

Why not have an option for players to "Add all Wars" of an identified corp/alliance they're following and avoid the tedious right click of death. Just add them with the same standings.

This would please me.

Thank you for reading my tears.

/VegasMirage

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Mr Popovic
Outback Steakhouse of Pancakes
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2013-06-06 20:44:11 UTC
+1 from me
Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-06 21:07:17 UTC
+1

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

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MKB Industries
SpecTechCenter
#4 - 2013-06-06 21:07:59 UTC
+1 from me for sure.
this is the end of the post!
viperkick
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-06 21:33:42 UTC
+ 1 Big smile Hell yeh
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-07 01:10:22 UTC
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#7 - 2013-06-07 01:55:28 UTC
+1, an oft desired and (relatively) easy to implement feature

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FoxFire Ayderan
#8 - 2013-06-07 02:37:03 UTC

Easy solution, have them join your corp/alliance. Oh.... that's a problem.

I will happily stand in firm opposition to making Hi-Sec griefiers job ANY easier. Why should CCP do this?

90+ wars? Why? What's the purpose? How is it you need to have 90+ wars declared against Hi-Sec corps? How many of them are mutual wars?

(Out of 82 active wars The Marmite Collective is engaged in TWO mutual wars. None of the 7 pending wars are listed as mutual, and it would appear less than a dozen of the 1,610 finished wars were mutual. That would seem to suggest that when you say many players like Hi-Sec War Decs you weren't refering to those nearly 1600 corps who've not reciprocated your War Decs ).

Of all the things CCP quite intentionally makes it difficult to share to those outside of your corp/alliance/alts you think THIS is the one thing they should make easier to share? Don't count on it ever happening.

In fact The Marmite Collective itself just MIGHT be a good case for making War Decs more difficult to declare.
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#9 - 2013-06-07 08:26:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus Maximo
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:

Easy solution, have them join your corp/alliance. Oh.... that's a problem.

I will happily stand in firm opposition to making Hi-Sec griefiers job ANY easier. Why should CCP do this?

90+ wars? Why? What's the purpose? How is it you need to have 90+ wars declared against Hi-Sec corps? How many of them are mutual wars?

(Out of 82 active wars The Marmite Collective is engaged in TWO mutual wars. None of the 7 pending wars are listed as mutual, and it would appear less than a dozen of the 1,610 finished wars were mutual. That would seem to suggest that when you say many players like Hi-Sec War Decs you weren't refering to those nearly 1600 corps who've not reciprocated your War Decs ).

Of all the things CCP quite intentionally makes it difficult to share to those outside of your corp/alliance/alts you think THIS is the one thing they should make easier to share? Don't count on it ever happening.

In fact The Marmite Collective itself just MIGHT be a good case for making War Decs more difficult to declare.


Before speaking about something you don't know anything about you need to first understand that pure stupidity will be flagged. You've been flagged.

In order to legally shoot a player in high sec a corporation/alliance has to pay concord a fee for them to be valid targets. As many would like to think Null/Low sec as a ruthless playground, you would be surprised to see what intelligence comes from those depths.

High Sec war decs are an extremely useful tool to make entire alliances logistics fall apart. When I dec a war I am not looking for high sec dwellers; I am looking for the people responsible for making a huge blue donut in "pro pvp space". Major Null Sec entities will deny it until the day they die but getting mugged on the way to the grocery store sucks and is bad for business. This is why you see the Marmites and Whores with so many wars. All of the alliances pay to shut down each other and recently themselves Pirate

It would be amazing for CCP to implement an ingame tool, or allow an out of game tool, that could easily pull api's and allow high sec alliances to add bad standings more efficiency. Last month Whores and Space and The Marmite Collective together destroyed over 2 TRILLION ISK in player assets.

For people that like zeros: 2,000,000,000,000 isk

I was listening to the goons talk about their war chest today which added up to a whopping 300 Billion isk. I'd assume TEST had a decent war chest too but they let a bunch of frigates kill them due to simple game mechanics.

All in all CCP should help out the people that keep this game rolling. Without war what would the true warriors do?

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Marianne Pollard
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-07 10:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Marianne Pollard
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:

Easy solution, have them join your corp/alliance. Oh.... that's a problem.

I will happily stand in firm opposition to making Hi-Sec griefiers job ANY easier. Why should CCP do this?

90+ wars? Why? What's the purpose? How is it you need to have 90+ wars declared against Hi-Sec corps? How many of them are mutual wars?

(Out of 82 active wars The Marmite Collective is engaged in TWO mutual wars. None of the 7 pending wars are listed as mutual, and it would appear less than a dozen of the 1,610 finished wars were mutual. That would seem to suggest that when you say many players like Hi-Sec War Decs you weren't refering to those nearly 1600 corps who've not reciprocated your War Decs ).

Of all the things CCP quite intentionally makes it difficult to share to those outside of your corp/alliance/alts you think THIS is the one thing they should make easier to share? Don't count on it ever happening.

In fact The Marmite Collective itself just MIGHT be a good case for making War Decs more difficult to declare.


This is beautiful, and displays a complete and utter lack of comprehension regarding the way things work around here. However, I will concede that the bitterness of your tears may have blinded you. You are therefore forgiven. Though may I suggest you seek the assistance of a space optometrist before commenting in future.

Also, what the hell is Eve Uni teaching you people? Oh, wait... I just answered my own question.

Mocking the afflicted since 2013.

Dasrufken
Nova Ardour
#11 - 2013-06-07 11:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Dasrufken
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:

Easy solution, have them join your corp/alliance. Oh.... that's a problem.

I will happily stand in firm opposition to making Hi-Sec griefiers job ANY easier. Why should CCP do this?

90+ wars? Why? What's the purpose? How is it you need to have 90+ wars declared against Hi-Sec corps? How many of them are mutual wars?

(Out of 82 active wars The Marmite Collective is engaged in TWO mutual wars. None of the 7 pending wars are listed as mutual, and it would appear less than a dozen of the 1,610 finished wars were mutual. That would seem to suggest that when you say many players like Hi-Sec War Decs you weren't refering to those nearly 1600 corps who've not reciprocated your War Decs ).

Of all the things CCP quite intentionally makes it difficult to share to those outside of your corp/alliance/alts you think THIS is the one thing they should make easier to share? Don't count on it ever happening.

In fact The Marmite Collective itself just MIGHT be a good case for making War Decs more difficult to declare.



Yes, let the anger flow through you! Embrace it and let it lead you to the dark side!


Oh and +1 for the suggestion, having to first of all find all wartargets and then adding all the thousands of them to my contacts list is making it rather boring and tedious to kill stuff.
Captain Corni
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-07 11:59:45 UTC
+1 supporting this!
Tel Perion
Hazy Services Incorporated
#13 - 2013-06-07 12:48:15 UTC
Zeus Maximo wrote:

All in all CCP should help out the people that keep this game rolling. Without war what would the true warriors do?


erm.... go and fight people that fight back? No? Wardeccing people who don't want to or know how to fight is a bit like going out onto the street and beating the crap out of someone and stealing their wallet.

Try getting into a cage fight and see what your street mugging self is really capable of.

If you can't understand the analogy, take your high sec wardec corp and head to nullsec. Try picking a fight there and claiming you're hardcore. Picking on people who don't know how to or want to fight doesn't make you "elite". Picking on thousands of them just makes you a ****.

Seriously, CCP shouldn't make things easier for those who chose to initiate masses of wardecs. The system works perfectly well for those with a few wardecs at a time. For the rest of you, accept you're douchbags and move on. Or grow a pair and go pick on someone who can fight back and doesn't need wardeccing.

Oh, and btw, yes, you're more than welcome to wardec me. I welcome it.
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#14 - 2013-06-07 14:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus Maximo
Tel Perion wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:

All in all CCP should help out the people that keep this game rolling. Without war what would the true warriors do?


erm.... go and fight people that fight back? No? Wardeccing people who don't want to or know how to fight is a bit like going out onto the street and beating the crap out of someone and stealing their wallet.

Try getting into a cage fight and see what your street mugging self is really capable of.

If you can't understand the analogy, take your high sec wardec corp and head to nullsec. Try picking a fight there and claiming you're hardcore. Picking on people who don't know how to or want to fight doesn't make you "elite". Picking on thousands of them just makes you a ****.

Seriously, CCP shouldn't make things easier for those who chose to initiate masses of wardecs. The system works perfectly well for those with a few wardecs at a time. For the rest of you, accept you're douchbags and move on. Or grow a pair and go pick on someone who can fight back and doesn't need wardeccing.

Oh, and btw, yes, you're more than welcome to wardec me. I welcome it.



Your first statement was that we should war dec someone that can fight back?

As merc alliances, which are also apart of the merc channel that NOIR resides in, we do declare war on people that "should be able to fight back". The problem that we tend to run into is that the major null sec alliances don't know how to.


Your second statement consisted of you calling us douche bags because we can afford to spend a few billion a week on wars. Nonetheless please stay on topic. It is hard to get fights around here.


First tip that might possibly make it easier to add standings. Maybe be able to drag and drop the corp/alliance to our people & places?

Second tip would be to right click the "active wars" tab in the war history window and add all to contacts.

Thank you once again CCP

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Darius Caliente
The Pinecone Squad
United Federation of Conifers
#15 - 2013-06-07 15:18:09 UTC
Well, the Marmites are probably the most frequent corp to dec us (or ally with people we dec) but I still say +1.

We use a tool that eliminates building the member lists and removes one click per member but it's still a long monotonous task, clicking 'Add All Members to Watchlist' on a group you're at war with would be amazing.

I'm actually surprised that Carebears are against this... it makes your lives easier as well. Any indy corp that is dec'd should have a War Time SOP that involves a number of steps:

- Stop running indy ships
- Dock Up
- Watch List the Enemy
- Stay Docked Up
- Fight Back if you can muster the forces
- Dock Up

Many indy corps would see war decs go away if they followed those simple steps but instead they keep mining, keep running orca boosts and keep running their freighters.

If you're dec'd by someone like Marmites, Whores, or even AOD (my alliance), you should be watch listing the members, so carebears and indy corps should be screaming for CCP to implement this.
Tel Perion
Hazy Services Incorporated
#16 - 2013-06-07 15:38:49 UTC
Zeus Maximo wrote:
The problem that we tend to run into is that the major null sec alliances don't know how to.


Do you mean they don't know how to lose, not that they don't know how to fight? Do you mean they kick your ass?

If not, what do you mean? As far as I can tell the major nullsec alliances know how to fight perfectly well.

Zeus Maximo wrote:
Your second statement consisted of you calling us douche bags because we can afford to spend a few billion a week on wars. Nonetheless please stay on topic. It is hard to get fights around here.


No, I'm not calling you (you meaning everyone that sits in highsec behind concord's skirts and pays for their permission to gank people, not specifically you) douchebags for having enough isk to declare that many wars. I'm calling you (again, you collective, not specifically you) douchebags for hiding behind concord's skirts and picking fights with people who can't or don't want to fight when there are plenty of fights to be had ourside of high sec.

Whilst you think it's perfectly fine to pick fights with people who don't want to fight you (and that opinion is a valid one as far as opinions go) your opponents may well consider you a douchebag for doing it because they don't want to fight. Not everyone in the game actually wants to fight. Some people want to mine or trade or transport stuff. It's not entirely about fighting for everyone.

So, it is just as valid an opinion to want CCP to NOT make it easier for people to have masses of wardecs as it is to want CCP to make it easier to have wardecs. They are two sides of the same coin.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#17 - 2013-06-07 15:43:45 UTC
Thank you for the healthy response. I think what you're after is a bit more challenging than the original request. If it can be done "Add all Members" to WatchList of a selected corp would be awesome as well.

All I was suggesting was an "Add ALL Wars"of a selected Corp/Alliance with standings.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#18 - 2013-06-07 15:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Tel Perion wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
The problem that we tend to run into is that the major null sec alliances don't know how to.


Do you mean they don't know how to lose, not that they don't know how to fight? Do you mean they kick your ass?

If not, what do you mean? As far as I can tell the major nullsec alliances know how to fight perfectly well.

Zeus Maximo wrote:
Your second statement consisted of you calling us douche bags because we can afford to spend a few billion a week on wars. Nonetheless please stay on topic. It is hard to get fights around here.


No, I'm not calling you (you meaning everyone that sits in highsec behind concord's skirts and pays for their permission to gank people, not specifically you) douchebags for having enough isk to declare that many wars. I'm calling you (again, you collective, not specifically you) douchebags for hiding behind concord's skirts and picking fights with people who can't or don't want to fight when there are plenty of fights to be had ourside of high sec.

Whilst you think it's perfectly fine to pick fights with people who don't want to fight you (and that opinion is a valid one as far as opinions go) your opponents may well consider you a douchebag for doing it because they don't want to fight. Not everyone in the game actually wants to fight. Some people want to mine or trade or transport stuff. It's not entirely about fighting for everyone.

So, it is just as valid an opinion to want CCP to NOT make it easier for people to have masses of wardecs as it is to want CCP to make it easier to have wardecs. They are two sides of the same coin.


sorry for the double poast, but I just wanted to address the Nays in the room

For those responses against the idea, unfortunately you don't understand the benefit of this suggestion to those being war dec'd by mercs. It'll help you more than it helps us. I'm not going to elaborate on exactly how, that is your task to figure out on your own.

To everybody on the thread thank you for trying to improve the game, it's your feedback that allows CCP to introduce features making the game more enjoyable to play.

Just a heads up, the multiple character training on a single account for plex introduced into Odessy was a player suggested and promoted feature. Most of Eve was against it. Let's change the game for the better and kill people (I mean asteroids) in the process.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

SilentSlave
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-06-07 16:31:18 UTC
Good idea 1+
Primary iszealot
The Bootcamp
#20 - 2013-06-22 22:25:08 UTC
+1 this needs doing!
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