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Ice belts res-pawn every 4 hours? I wonder what CCP is trying to do.
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energypills
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-06 16:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: energypills
A few thoughts on this.

Since there was no ice belt avaialble when I logged on I played the waiting game and hung out on the undock in my solo ice miner and kept watching the scanner every 30 min to see if an ice belt appeared. It came time for me to go to bed so I got absolutely nothing of course and began to realize :

The regular ice miners that have 10 or more exhumers at their command will eat the ice belt spawn in less than 30 minutes. That leaves a VERY tiny window for people to mine ice. I was mining ice in a .5 system. Are there any systems where the belts spawn in shorter intervals? It would be nice to have even a timer for when the next ice belt would spawn. Cause you log in - not knowing how long ago the last block of ice was eaten up. Then your just playing the waiting game for ages hoping to find another.

In most regions of EVE the systems that have ice belts are pretty far apart so it doesn't seem practical to try and go to another one that might have an Ice belt spawn. Maybe CCP wants their to be more high sec war decs? And if that is the case - these ice miners with 10 or more NPC corp mining toons could be exempt? Wow.
Zongrash
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-06 16:28:29 UTC
Getting out of highsec and harvesting in null is definitely worth it now. There is not much competition and lots of sites. I harvest with an alt while doing other activities, works great. You just need to be sure to have a combat ship in system to pop rats when they spawn and to watch local.

The only problem this brings up with only 1 or 2 barges mining a site is that the site does not respawn after downtime. Forcing you to harvest all the ice you don't want.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-06-06 16:33:38 UTC
Or...CCP wants to shift the balance of resources to create a higher demand for null ice mining.
energypills
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-06 16:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: energypills
I figured I'd take a hulk and just grab whatever I could with its three harvesters so I could target more ice at a time, when I logged on but there wasn't an ice field for over three hours. I think the issue here that I consider to be present is that solo miners are done because fleet miners will take over every belt so fast that even if a solo miner that only has about three hours to play the game per day - will most likely not get to even seen an ice belt spawn.
Zongrash
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-06 17:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zongrash
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Or...CCP wants to shift the balance of resources to create a higher demand for null ice mining.



Not really, after seeing my corpmates numbers for null harvesting 1block/m pre-odyssey and 2 blocks/m post odyssey.

Pre-Odyssey ISK/h- 20mill

Post Odyssey ISK/h- 21-24mill
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-06-06 19:37:48 UTC
energypills wrote:


In most regions of EVE the systems that have ice belts are pretty far apart so it doesn't seem practical to try and go to another one that might have an Ice belt spawn. Maybe CCP wants their to be more high sec war decs? And if that is the case - these ice miners with 10 or more NPC corp mining toons could be exempt? Wow.


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energypills
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-06 20:10:49 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
energypills wrote:


In most regions of EVE the systems that have ice belts are pretty far apart so it doesn't seem practical to try and go to another one that might have an Ice belt spawn. Maybe CCP wants their to be more high sec war decs? And if that is the case - these ice miners with 10 or more NPC corp mining toons could be exempt? Wow.


Pro Tip: Dev Blogs are full of solid info on exactly the topic you speak of. Make an effort.



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Tess Emmagan
Rob Aus Holland Industries
#8 - 2013-06-06 20:45:33 UTC
energypills wrote:

The regular ice miners that have 10 or more exhumers at their command will eat the ice belt spawn in less than 30 minutes. That leaves a VERY tiny window for people to mine ice.


This is a good reason to support your friendly neighboorhood gankers and blow those miners the **** up.
energypills
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-06-06 20:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: energypills
Tess Emmagan wrote:
energypills wrote:

The regular ice miners that have 10 or more exhumers at their command will eat the ice belt spawn in less than 30 minutes. That leaves a VERY tiny window for people to mine ice.


This is a good reason to support your friendly neighboorhood gankers and blow those miners the **** up.


Believe me I would much rather be doing that. If only smart bombs were allowed in high sec. Or maybe it is just that 'cosmic anomaly' that is some how magically creating a space kangaroo that is attacking my smart bomb launcher and causing it not to fire! OF COURSE! Just like they do with my bomb launcher on my hound! Riight.. But space kangaroos don't like hanging out in null sec -cause everything works there just fine!
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-06 21:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Xado
Zongrash wrote:
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Or...CCP wants to shift the balance of resources to create a higher demand for null ice mining.



Not really, after seeing my corpmates numbers for null harvesting 1block/m pre-odyssey and 2 blocks/m post odyssey.

Pre-Odyssey ISK/h- 20mill

Post Odyssey ISK/h- 21-24mill


I don't normally respond to statements like this but....

A skilled Retriever pilot with an orca boost can churn out 128 block an hour. The cheapest ice in null sec out there is currently selling at 270,000 ISK a block. That is 34,560,000 ISK per hour.

A maxed our hulk pilot with a Rorqual boost will bring in 170 blocks an hour, which would come to 45,900,000 ISK an hour.

And that's just the cheap stuff and not taking into account any of the better ice that you will also be mining.

So not sure where you are getting 21-24 million an hour from but I would be interested in knowing.

Sure I would love to be abe to exclusively mine Dark Glitter as I did before the patch. Dark Glitter is currently selling for 670,000 per block which would make the maxed our Hulk pilot from above 113,900,000 ISK per hour. That would be great, but I don't think that was the devs intention. I just want to make sure we are using real numbers here.

I'm going to test out the whole respawning at downtime thing this weekend because I am hearing a lot of different statements about it.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#11 - 2013-06-06 21:57:18 UTC
24 mil per hour is the current rate per hour roughly for mining ice in high sec. Which is about 2 mil less than what you get mining ore in high sec. BUT with the new anomalies 24 mil per hour on ice will be quite hard to attain.

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Admiral Nagumo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-06 22:38:33 UTC
I'm guessing in a couple years, there won't be anything decent left to do in high/low sec and everyone will be part of a couple mega null-sec alliances. Everyone will manufacture, nobody will sell. Jita and the other trade hubs will be the home of a new empire build on scamming.

So yeah I can understand the frustration of new players… The best part of EVE being such an approved paradise for gankers and grievers is that they are too busy camping 0.4 gates and thus stay away from other games :D
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#13 - 2013-06-06 22:41:48 UTC
They're collecting data on the feasibility of moving all mining content to anomalies.

And I hope they'll do it. Anomalies allow more complex scripting than current belts and thus can add space weather and random events to make mining more interesting.

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Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-06 22:50:08 UTC
You do know that your ship can use star gates to travel to other systems that also spawn ice belts right?
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#15 - 2013-06-06 22:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Navarro
Admiral Nagumo wrote:
I'm guessing in a couple years, there won't be anything decent left to do in high/low sec and everyone will be part of a couple mega null-sec alliances. Everyone will manufacture, nobody will sell. Jita and the other trade hubs will be the home of a new empire build on scamming.

So yeah I can understand the frustration of new players… The best part of EVE being such an approved paradise for gankers and grievers is that they are too busy camping 0.4 gates and thus stay away from other games :D



I'm guessing that in a few year there will be 5 different race, that the ammar will be the best speedtank and that ice will grow cavernous maws and a terrible hunger for capsuleer flesh and start eating people.


About as likely as your theory.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#16 - 2013-06-06 23:00:10 UTC
I think this shows that 4 hrs is just too big of a gap.

I'd like to see it cut down to every 2 hrs and just cut the amount that spawns in half.

This would really work against those big groups more. Idea
energypills
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-07 14:34:49 UTC
Mark Munoz wrote:
You do know that your ship can use star gates to travel to other systems that also spawn ice belts right?


Yeah I want to jump 24 slow alignments to another system to see if a belt just 'happens' to be there.
Dave Stark
#18 - 2013-06-07 14:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
energypills wrote:
It came time for me to go to bed so I got absolutely nothing of course and began to realize :

i could also mine ore if i swapped my high slot modules, so it's all fine.


great isn't it?
Terian en Cedoulain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-07 20:42:05 UTC
I needed ice to fuel my POS and could not find any at first... but after some jumps, I found several belts of ice that are completely untouched and haven't moved since the release of Oddysey. I am currently mining one of those for ice. You just have to know where to look, and be willing to take some risks. Explore the universe man, that's what Oddysey is all about!

And no, I am not talking about nullsec and yes I am a solo non-pvp inclined industrial player in my own private corp (and consider myself casual - which is obviously a subjective term, but whatever).

The ice changes are fine with me.
Lyra Jedran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-06-08 05:29:33 UTC
I don’t see what all the fuss is about. My mining fleet mines in a system that takes 2 and a half hours to chew the ice anomaly. There is another system with an ice belt three jumps away that takes even longer to finish off their ice anomaly. If I felt like it I could mine ice all day long going back and forth. As always in Eve the rich get richer as they can afford to plan ahead and bankroll larger mining fleets.Hooray for progress.
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