EVE General Discussion

People start to dump alts only rings the bell that isboxing and botting is getting harder


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Envy at what? At the moron taking Baltec troll and really going with a mining ship in low sec?

See, I don't give a duck about fleets and whatever, I only care for EvE to keep having funding enough to go ahead to its 20th anniversary.

If people are so strange to pay 50 subs for whatever crappy activity, I don't care at all, I care they PAY so that CCP can create new expansions.

While it's easy for the default 4Chan mentality EvE player to feel GOOD about other people quitting / unsubbing etc, they should also consider the game also lives on those "low lifers" who pay money to do crappy activities.

The best way to mine ice prepatch = run EVE on 80 clients with 4 PCs on 8 monitors. (And those elite miners ran their fleets 40+ hours a week, grabbing the lion's share of the ISK devoted to buying ice for themselves)

The best way to mine ice postpatch = less accounts, less clients, less PCs, less monitors. The ISK flowing into the ice market is now more evenly distributed (and of a greater amount).

Ice mining is now less elitist, overall. Those people who have extremely limited playtime and find that highsec ice mining is no longer for them should go mine ice in low/null, or find something else to do. Judging by the extreme overcrowding in highsec ice fields which I've personally witnessed, your theory about the privileged few and the unlucky masses is a massive exaggeration, btw.




So after 12 pages, you admit that you don't care about any of the issues raised in this thread, you only care about subscription numbers? o_O So wait a few months and see what happens to subscription numbers, instead of making a bunch of wild guesses about what effect this will have. p.s. people with 50+ account mining fleets aren't paying real money for their subs, and they're not providing content for plex-buyers to justify taking 50+ plex off the market every month. They are(were) leechers taking advantage of a broken game mechanic, simple as that.

1) I said I don't want the old (and crap too) system back.
2) Those "80 clients" would earn *proportionally* more than the 2 clients guy. Both would bring home the ISK.

Now the 80 clients guy is gone (good riddance) but also the 2 clients guy who can't spend extensive time in game.




How could it be elitist when before the patch everyone from the shoddiest T1 (un)fitted retriever to the super duper guy with Orca+ freigther all had full access?





Lol how can a guy with limited time mine in low / null? I have mined in low and null and in order to survive I had to be in a time demanding corp who would appropriately secure the gates and WHs.

A loner? Come on.




1) I *also* care for the game design and the users experience but those take a second seat behind the game. EvE is the enabler to every activity so it takes the priority.

2) 50 PLEX means someone PAID those 50 PLEXes. Again, 50 PLEXes = more money than 50 subs = good for EvE, regardless of who / what / why provides such money.

No, judging by the massive overcrowding in the ice fields, most of the 2 clients guys who can't spend extensive time in game are still there. The 2 clients guys who can only log in 30 minutes a day--I never usually saw them before either, because they barely play. Not rocket science here.



I explained how, in a very detailed fashion. Feel free to thank me.




Noizygamer blogs often about ice mining in low, solo, in limited time.




Someone buying 100,000 dollars of illegal drugs on street corners in Oakland, where I live, means that someone PAID 100,000 dollars. 100,000 dollars is better for the national economy than 0 dollars, therefore, illegal street drug sales are good for the economy, regardless of who/what/why the money comes from.

The logical flaw in the above analogy is that it ignores the opportunity cost, i.e., that 100,000 dollars would likely have been spent on something else, something much better than dangerous and illegal street drugs. The opportunity cost in the EVE scenario is that those 50 plex could have been consumed by someone(some group of people) who contributes much, much more to the EVE community/gameplay experience than someone mining ice with 50 accounts. Better EVE community/gameplay means more subscribers/PLEX buyers down the road, which is good for EVE. I know that you are an economic whiz when it comes to playing the market, and so I'm incredibly surprised that you would ignore something so basic as opportunity cost in this context. (Sliding down to the next 50 marginal buy offers on PLEX could also reduce the total plex volume so that now you're looking at <50 PLEX, but PLEX prices have gone up recently, so this possible effect appears to have been dominated by other changes in Odyssey or the speculative effects thereof, at least in the short term)

I see from 222 down to 25-50 people in local, no "overcrowding". Due to me "working" from home I also can play 18 hours a day so I actually see who plays and for how long. Many know me as well and like the fact I bring their concerns to the forum.
They are not hardened enough to deal with being against the EvE Politically correct null-PVP-player-who-feel-they-are-the-only-legit-gameplay groupthink.




Confused fashion. You can detail it if you want, won't help.




Noizygamer blogs often about ice mining in low, solo, in limited time.

Just the fact you know 1 by name means it's so rare it's worth mentioning him by name and him writing it on a blog.

I am also sure that Kil2 could mine in low sec. Does it make it "normal"? No.




I do despise multiboxers a lot, but their gameplay was deemed legit by CCP so no, you can't compare to drug vendors.

Also, like the regular EvE elite-null-PvP-I-am-the-one-legit-gameplay you arrogate yourself the right to judge somebody else paid entertrainment.

They are legit and they play for what they pay. Your association (ofc to imply negatives) does not hold.


Finally, the trader in me would just reply you that business is business. They don't break the EULA, they do what they want.

Dude I was doing what you do in 2009.

I was in a cospiquous corp like you are, I had officers dealing with setting up scouts, guards, plan the best paths, clear the systems around...

Now, find the difference between this, and being the 1-2 account guy who's not lucky like you are (and I was).

Stop always thinking everyone are pro and elite like you are, MMOs are *massive* multiplayer games made for the masses not elite epeen showing grounds.

And, not so little detail, MMOs financials depend on keeping those masses so they can't cut off "the bads".

I've been mining in Abudban, which has gone from 100-120ish to more like 80-ish. Since the total login numbers for tranquility seem steady, it looks like people are trying out the new features introduced in the expansion. You've obscured where you mine, so there's no way to check your numbers.



Since I'm not 8, I won't respond to this vague insult, other than to chide you on it.




Who said it was normal? He does it. It's a fact. This random person could do it too. That's all. You have no hesitation posting your own singular experience in finding an uncrowded ice belt, although without enough detail for it to really impart any information.




Since I did, clearly I can. If you are really hung up on the 'legality' aspect, then fine, replace illegal street drugs with a legal but harmful drug like cigarettes. That's probably a better analogy anyway. The point I made is "opportunity cost", bringing up 'legitness' is you erecting a straw man to knock down.




You made the judgement that 1 ice miner with 50 accounts is good for EVE's financial outlook. I made the counter-judgement that it is not. If you want to say that making this kind of judgement is not 'right', then you should restrain yourself from making that kind of judgement before objecting to my objection to your judgement. I made no judgement of 'legitness of gameplay' or 'entertainingness of an entertainment', I'm merely making the exact same sort of judgement which you had already made. Since CCP made a change which seemed to be aimed at exactly that type of miner, CCP seems to agree with my judgement--since you're so concerned with what CCP deems. perhaps you should consider that again. (and p.s., i'm not an elite-null-pvper, I'm more of a trader/whbear, and I make no claims that my playstyle is superior to others--except that I think people playing 50 accounts simultaneously are bad for the long term future of EVE)

I think the new ice system is a bit sucky for people in the TZ that is active int the few hours before DT. I log on round 0700 EVE time and play till round DT. I have in the last 2 days got 15 pieces of from 3 mack pilots. If I am lucky the belt is still up when I log on, it dies within 30mins and 4 hours later is DT and my bed time.. guess I don't need them accounts anymore.. 3 will become 1. Luckily it happened 2 months before I renew for another year..