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Incursion griefing getting kicked into high gear

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2011-11-06 08:58:57 UTC
Our buddy who was on the scene scooped the lab that had them, so no loss, even. Close one.

On the other hand, even if we had lost that, 110m loss vs. Nightmare someone ejected from while they were shooting that... v0v
Officer Nyota Uhura
#142 - 2011-11-06 09:20:41 UTC
So the incursionbears have adopted a new strategy to avoid killmails that we use to ridicule them here.... They eject from their ships before they're destroyed?

Nice job, fellas, nice job.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2011-11-06 10:20:07 UTC
Everyone claims to have no isk. So we ask about assets the can contract us. Or we tell them they can eject and we'll give them back their mods, so they don't walk away empty handed.

We've gotten a Mach, a Nightmare, a Loki and a Navy Apoc that way.

We've outfitted basically all our dudes in hilarious shiny **** and intend to start handing them to non-skunks who start doing this. Look at my other thread on this board for details on that. We're handing out the Apoc already.
Officer Nyota Uhura
#144 - 2011-11-06 11:04:34 UTC
MmmmmuuuhahahahaHAHAHA!

This is the best shiit I've read for ages in C&P! Please keep on posting.
Dasrufken
Nova Ardour
#145 - 2011-11-06 12:18:01 UTC
carmelos53 wrote:

Big mistake making this post public . Now everyone knows you guys can't defend yourselves. The only time your pvp griefer Corp gets on kms is when they have no chance.


Hey carmelos, its worth noting that you and your friends cant really defend yourselves either.

http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7034
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7035
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7045
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7064 (love the fact that he didn't bring any cap boosters ^^)
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7065
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7066
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7067
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7068 (love those lack of filled mid and highslots)
http://nova.eve-arts.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7071


Please tell your buddies to not fail so hard will yah?

PS: Tell niteninja to stop whining about us never forming up a fleet, because all you guys do when we have formed up is start running like little girls back towards amarr (even though you're so slow that my triple plated and trimarked phoon could catch up to you) and when you inevitably get caught up to, send out a sacrificial draek (or vindicator) and proceed to dock.



Quote:
We've outfitted basically all our dudes in hilarious shiny **** and intend to start handing them to non-skunks who start doing this. Look at my other thread on this board for details on that. We're handing out the Apoc already.


I can has?

Cerisia
Red Phoenix Rising
#146 - 2011-11-06 12:27:12 UTC
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
MmmmmuuuhahahahaHAHAHA!

This is the best shiit I've read for ages in C&P! Please keep on posting.



Indeed , I'm loving this thread Big smile
This space for rent..
Adriana Mal'Valeran
Zero Fun Allowed
#147 - 2011-11-06 12:55:09 UTC
carmelos53 wrote:
LOL not aware of a pos kill? 1 offline pos was killed and we just finished off the active large. An eye for an eye. thanks champs. Nice try with the alliance hoping to invalidate the wars too. Unfortunately there are ways around it.

Not really wanting to play the tough guy card here but now we are even. Have fun killing randomy pilots who can't defend themselves.
The pos kills definately cover our 2 loses.


No hard feelings.



Oh yea, i was there. They even played around with me a bit...

Then tried to gank me with 2 maelstroms, thrasher and a Navy Slicer =(


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14554090

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14554079

WHY DOES NOONE LIKE ME =(
Officer Nyota Uhura
#148 - 2011-11-06 14:14:15 UTC
Adriana Mal'Valeran wrote:
WHY DOES NOONE LIKE ME =(


Because we don't like pilots who don't API verify their killmails. That's why.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#149 - 2011-11-06 18:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Now, I don't like highsec Incursions. It's not that we think less of incursionbears than we do of, say, mission-bears. It's that incursions in high sec pay too damn much. It's basically some of the best money in the game outside of owning a tech moon and therefore all kinds of people are just sitting in highsec doing those, rather than doing something more creative or going out to null or whatever. In our opinion, it's a stagnating influence.

I agree 100 percent and I think this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem with high-sec incursions is that they can be extended indefinitely. They will put off killing the mothership for WEEKS to grind Vanguards, one every 60 seconds or so during active hours in a single constellation.

I have talked at length with one of the people in charge of TDF; he agrees wholeheartedly that incursions in general are broken and that Vanguards and other sites should not spawn indefinitely once the mothership appears. At the same time, he is obligated by a MASSIVE conflict of interest not to bring this to CCP's attention.

I too am a bit conflicted about bringing this up as some of my friends make ISK this way, but it has to be said: Incursions need to be nerfed. People have obviously figured out how to run them; make the system control bar move much slower and make the Sansha regain control faster, but don't let more sites spawn for too long after it is ready to be completed; the amortized maximum ISK/LP output for incursions needs to be changed vastly downwards, from its current 70+ billion isk per day (that's vanguards alone; also, that's a trillion raw isk in 2 weeks not counting LP).

I hate to be the antagonist to so many people who play the game, but the brokenness of Incursions is one of the playerbase's best kept secrets. And, as the OP said, they do act as a stagnating influence in many cases; players that would be otherwise engaged in something that isn't safe high-sec grinding spend hours and days running Vanguards making billions upon billions. It has to stop somewhere.

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature

Richard Whiteyes
A Legitimate strategy
#150 - 2011-11-06 19:56:15 UTC
I only just got into the cursions, but generally I don't think this is a personal attack, this is being done for the same reason as sucide ganking mackinaws, killing mission runners or decing high sec noobs. Its just something to do, and it can yield some really nice kills.

Since ive started incursioning I've been buying shiner ships and losing more ships, what goes around comes around so its likely that you'll just see more noobs with ships they shouldn't be in as a reasult of this.

Cursions, even though I hate to say it should probablly be nerfed though, the income does sort of blow any other career out of the water providing you have the ships to get in the fleets.

From a guy you would probablly gank

Rich.

Richards Rampage PvP video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYu0xC9Gv0 And the second (not really as good as the first imo): Richards Revenge PvP video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGj9F2EYbWQ

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#151 - 2011-11-06 20:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Iam Widdershins wrote:

I agree 100 percent and I think this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem with high-sec incursions is that they can be extended indefinitely. They will put off killing the mothership for WEEKS to grind Vanguards, one every 60 seconds or so during active hours in a single constellation.


I have a deep found respect for Moar Tears and their work, but fools like you give them a bad name.
Weeks? Are you really that dumb and naive? Why do people talk about stuff which they have no clue about!?
Do you walk around daily as well claiming you're a chiropractor, nascar driver and a miss beauty queen?
An incursion in a constellation can't last more than a week or it will remove itself. Learn STUFF before you talk about STUFF.

Iam Widdershins wrote:
but the brokenness of Incursions is one of the playerbase's best kept secrets..


Again, are you really that naive to believe CCP aren't reading this or well aware of this?
For the love of the sacred coconut, WE ARE ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU PICKWIT.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2011-11-06 20:12:08 UTC
Dasrufken wrote:

I can has?



Yes. Link me 10b in incursion **** killed with none of the kills being before the post I mentioned this in originally last night. They've got to be API verified.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#153 - 2011-11-06 21:08:52 UTC
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
MmmmmuuuhahahahaHAHAHA!

This is the best shiit I've read for ages in C&P! Please keep on posting.


The guys who are already out there shooting should easily break the 100 billion mark in the next few hours. Unless, of course, everyone ejects from their ships.

I have a new escalation planned for next week. It should be entertaining.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#154 - 2011-11-06 21:15:12 UTC
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Both of my Artbirator BPOs and six data cores were in there.


Fail.

I like your cause, sir, but that's still a fail.


Meh. In our line of work, one tends to acquire whatever BPOs pass by.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Marcoss Marshall
Society of Free Agents
#155 - 2011-11-06 21:33:56 UTC
i'm confused. i was looking at ur kbs and u were ganking armor stuff, then u stopped. did something happen? u scared of TDF?
Odemis
Death By Design
#156 - 2011-11-06 22:36:09 UTC
BOOM - 100 Billion isk destroyed
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2011-11-06 22:41:13 UTC
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#158 - 2011-11-06 23:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
Ammzi wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:

I agree 100 percent and I think this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem with high-sec incursions is that they can be extended indefinitely. They will put off killing the mothership for WEEKS to grind Vanguards, one every 60 seconds or so during active hours in a single constellation.


I have a deep found respect for Moar Tears and their work, but fools like you give them a bad name.
Weeks? Are you really that dumb and naive? Why do people talk about stuff which they have no clue about!?
Do you walk around daily as well claiming you're a chiropractor, nascar driver and a miss beauty queen?
An incursion in a constellation can't last more than a week or it will remove itself. Learn STUFF before you talk about STUFF.

Iam Widdershins wrote:
but the brokenness of Incursions is one of the playerbase's best kept secrets..


Again, are you really that naive to believe CCP aren't reading this or well aware of this?
For the love of the sacred coconut, WE ARE ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU PICKWIT.

I'm just repeating what I heard from someone who knows a hell of a lot more about incursions than I do, namely a TDF director.

Even if they do shut themselves down in 1 week (I don't really know and don't particularly care), that's hundreds of billions of isk paid out, not counting LP, to a very limited number of pilots who spend their time doing little else. My main concern is that this is, as I quoted, a stagnating influence.

There is much less fuss made about the imbalanced nature of Incursions, as almost anyone who cares can actually do them themselves and make enormous quantities of isk, and therefore very few people actually think it should be changed; if there is a single problem with nullsec anomalies not paying out correctly, half of EVE would be up in arms on the forums, but with incursions it has been a long, slow percolation. Sure, CCP is aware, but the playerbase doesn't really keep any true secrets; it's a relative term. I'm sure I'm nowhere near the first to point this out, but it's something that deserves more attention.

You are being ragey and obtuse, please take your terrible rage and pointless insults elsewhere unless you can actually comment on the matter at hand. I think it's cute and all that you're so up in arms the moment someone says that your main income source should be removed, but seriously now.

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#159 - 2011-11-06 23:14:30 UTC
forum broke; doublepost

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#160 - 2011-11-07 00:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
Iam Widdershins wrote:
Ammzi wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:

I agree 100 percent and I think this is a problem that should be addressed. The problem with high-sec incursions is that they can be extended indefinitely. They will put off killing the mothership for WEEKS to grind Vanguards, one every 60 seconds or so during active hours in a single constellation.


I have a deep found respect for Moar Tears and their work, but fools like you give them a bad name.
Weeks? Are you really that dumb and naive? Why do people talk about stuff which they have no clue about!?
Do you walk around daily as well claiming you're a chiropractor, nascar driver and a miss beauty queen?
An incursion in a constellation can't last more than a week or it will remove itself. Learn STUFF before you talk about STUFF.

Iam Widdershins wrote:
but the brokenness of Incursions is one of the playerbase's best kept secrets..


Again, are you really that naive to believe CCP aren't reading this or well aware of this?
For the love of the sacred coconut, WE ARE ON A PUBLIC FORUM YOU PICKWIT.

I'm just repeating what I heard from someone who knows a hell of a lot more about incursions than I do, namely a TDF director.

Even if they do shut themselves down in 1 week (I don't really know and don't particularly care), that's hundreds of billions of isk paid out, not counting LP, to a very limited number of pilots who spend their time doing little else. My main concern is that this is, as I quoted, a stagnating influence.

There is much less fuss made about the imbalanced nature of Incursions, as almost anyone who cares can actually do them themselves and make enormous quantities of isk, and therefore very few people actually think it should be changed; if there is a single problem with nullsec anomalies not paying out correctly, half of EVE would be up in arms on the forums, but with incursions it has been a long, slow percolation. Sure, CCP is aware, but the playerbase doesn't really keep any true secrets; it's a relative term. I'm sure I'm nowhere near the first to point this out, but it's something that deserves more attention.

You are being ragey and obtuse, please take your terrible rage and pointless insults elsewhere unless you can actually comment on the matter at hand. I think it's cute and all that you're so up in arms the moment someone says that your main income source should be removed, but seriously now.


But you're wrong. I mean I understand why you look at it from this perspective, being so unaware of so many variables and facts that intervene and interact in this enormous system.

I raged because it's the same deal, over and over again, in the same thread, but from different people. And yes I do understand you don't wanna read it all, but now I have to repeat myself.

You don't have the eyes of CCP, you don't have their data at hand and you can not judge what is affecting the economy in which way with a high accuracy. We can only guess, discuss and estimate.
The thing is, if incursions were messing up the economy then CCP would step in and do something about it. They monitor this closely, however since they haven't (yet) it must be working out fine so far. Right?

The other thing is it is extremely limited how many pilots can participate in incursions in highsec before it gets absolutely worthless to do it. Yes, the general saying is "anyone can join in", but if everyone joined it there wouldn't be anything for anyone! Crowded systems in vanguards, assaults and headquarters will ultimately leave everyone out better doing lvl 4's.

Please consider these numbers and weigh them against what you think about the rest of EVE.
At maximum peak times during the week incursions in highsec can generate up to 30 billion isk an hour (direct ISK faucet). At average this number is much, much lower.
At maximum peak times about 500 pilots are ACTIVELY in a fleet running incursions in highsec.
This is what is causing all the trouble? Because an average of little less than 500 pilots are running incursions in highsec? Because 5 % of the EVE population is doing incursions ^ that many people are pissed and jelly?


PS: Repeating what you heard is one of the biggest problems in EVE and real life. Just don't do it without having your sources listed so you don't look like a total douche.