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Anslo
Scope Works
#81 - 2013-06-06 16:56:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

(1) So her view of Eve is not your view so what.
(2) No you are not owned anything.
(3) CCP hire and fire who they want, when they want and do not have to tell you squat.
(4) Who gave you the authority to dictate to CCP who they can and can not hire. You don't like it then the solution is very easy.. quit.
(5) Also please do not use the "I am a paying customer" line.
(6) You have no right to tell CCP who they can hire like you have no right to tell any other company that you use who they can hire.
(7) At the end of the day, the percentage of players against this hiring is minuscule. A handful of players on a forum that only a tiny percentage of subscribers use.


1) She works for the company that manages Eve now.
2) Yes, we are. We're obviously so 'close' to the developers, like they preach so often. So, why not explain?
3) They do make the hiring decisions, and we make the well founded and reasoned criticisms.
4) We do not have that authority but we do have the ability to want answers, as CCP put the community on a pedestal for holding up Eve and making it what it is. No, I will not quit.
5) We are paying customers who put hours into Eve and attempt to make it better, not just consume.
6) See Answer 3. You are being repetative.
7) Look up the term latent, as I said in the previous post, and get back to me.

What did we learn here today? That reading comprehension and basic critical thinking skills are key in answering your own questions. Text walls are there for a reason, Mr. Alt.

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Prince Kobol
#82 - 2013-06-06 16:56:32 UTC
floating in space wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:


1. A lot of this drama would have been avoided if CCP Mintchip would have been introduced as CCP CLEANSLATE in the DUST forums. No reference to her blog or youtube videos. Later, during a fanfest or some other event, her identity could have been exposed, but only after she had the opportunity to make a name for herself as a competent CCP employee. To come out from the beginning with so much baggage, puts her in a difficult postion.




They didn't hire her as a random person / dev they hired her because she's Mintchip. Probably to try to attract players for DUST because of internet celebrity.


Yes because you were there...

The level of tinfoil has risen remarkably over the last 24 hours.

I also hear that she was the one who shot Kennedy, split up the Beatles and killed Kurt Cobain
floating in space
#83 - 2013-06-06 16:59:01 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:


1. A lot of this drama would have been avoided if CCP Mintchip would have been introduced as CCP CLEANSLATE in the DUST forums. No reference to her blog or youtube videos. Later, during a fanfest or some other event, her identity could have been exposed, but only after she had the opportunity to make a name for herself as a competent CCP employee. To come out from the beginning with so much baggage, puts her in a difficult postion.




They didn't hire her as a random person / dev they hired her because she's Mintchip. Probably to try to attract players for DUST because of internet celebrity.


Yes because you were there...

The level of tinfoil has risen remarkably over the last 24 hours.

I also hear that she was the one who shot Kennedy, split up the Beatles and killed Kurt Cobain


What's I'm saying is pretty obvious. It's not on the level of Kennedy assassination at least.

Do you think that as a person she was the most qualified for the job? Out of everyone they could have hired? Really? I mean honestly? Really?

It's not even saying anything bad that they hired her for name recognition, it's just obvious.
Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force
#84 - 2013-06-06 17:01:38 UTC
Agree With op. Tbh I won't claim I'm gonna quit but this could be the start of a bad road for ccp. Its annoying because after Seagulls speech at fanfest I was really back into this game. The main thing that happened isn't the big deal here its others from ccp calling people misogynistic and insulting us due to our opinions who has done damage to this game and we see as being in a place to do damage in future. We are entitled to these opinions and a lot of people didn't cross that line but we're still grouped with the few.
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2013-06-06 17:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Revman Zim
floating in space wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:


1. A lot of this drama would have been avoided if CCP Mintchip would have been introduced as CCP CLEANSLATE in the DUST forums. No reference to her blog or youtube videos. Later, during a fanfest or some other event, her identity could have been exposed, but only after she had the opportunity to make a name for herself as a competent CCP employee. To come out from the beginning with so much baggage, puts her in a difficult postion.




They didn't hire her as a random person / dev they hired her because she's Mintchip. Probably to try to attract players for DUST because of internet celebrity.



Agree. I point this out only because her hiring has awakened a beast on the forums. If CCP truely wanted to avoid this then what I suggested was valid. If they did not, then they should not be surprised about the reaction.

If they didn't have an inkling that there would be a problem, they are out of touch.
Prince Kobol
#86 - 2013-06-06 17:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Anslo wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

(1) So her view of Eve is not your view so what.
(2) No you are not owned anything.
(3) CCP hire and fire who they want, when they want and do not have to tell you squat.
(4) Who gave you the authority to dictate to CCP who they can and can not hire. You don't like it then the solution is very easy.. quit.
(5) Also please do not use the "I am a paying customer" line.
(6) You have no right to tell CCP who they can hire like you have no right to tell any other company that you use who they can hire.
(7) At the end of the day, the percentage of players against this hiring is minuscule. A handful of players on a forum that only a tiny percentage of subscribers use.


1) She works for the company that manages Eve now.
2) Yes, we are. We're obviously so 'close' to the developers, like they preach so often. So, why not explain?
3) They do make the hiring decisions, and we make the well founded and reasoned criticisms.
4) We do not have that authority but we do have the ability to want answers, as CCP put the community on a pedestal for holding up Eve and making it what it is. No, I will not quit.
5) We are paying customers who put hours into Eve and attempt to make it better, not just consume.
6) See Answer 3. You are being repetative.
7) Look up the term latent, as I said in the previous post, and get back to me.

What did we learn here today? That reading comprehension and basic critical thinking skills are key in answering your own questions. Text walls are there for a reason, Mr. Alt.


Jesus..

1. Your point being what?

2. The developers preach now.. please show me were they preach.

3. No, you are not making founded and reasons criticisms at all. I have yet to see any rounded and reasonable criticisms, only a load of vile hateful rubbish.

4. You want the ability to want answers.. lol, I have never heard so much rubbish in my life. Just because CCP likes to engage its customers like any half decent company would, it does not mean that you can demand t answer to why they hired somebody.

5. Like I said, just because you are paying customers it don't mean a thing when it comes to anything outside of the game Eve, and that includes hiring people.

6. I can play that game as well.. see answer 3 :)

7. It depends on the context.. are we talking about pathology, biology or psychology.

I learned that you are talking rubbish, have a personal agenda against somebody who you have never met and also.. This is my main..
Prince Kobol
#87 - 2013-06-06 17:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
floating in space wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:


1. A lot of this drama would have been avoided if CCP Mintchip would have been introduced as CCP CLEANSLATE in the DUST forums. No reference to her blog or youtube videos. Later, during a fanfest or some other event, her identity could have been exposed, but only after she had the opportunity to make a name for herself as a competent CCP employee. To come out from the beginning with so much baggage, puts her in a difficult postion.




They didn't hire her as a random person / dev they hired her because she's Mintchip. Probably to try to attract players for DUST because of internet celebrity.


Yes because you were there...

The level of tinfoil has risen remarkably over the last 24 hours.

I also hear that she was the one who shot Kennedy, split up the Beatles and killed Kurt Cobain


What's I'm saying is pretty obvious. It's not on the level of Kennedy assassination at least.

Do you think that as a person she was the most qualified for the job? Out of everyone they could have hired? Really? I mean honestly? Really?

It's not even saying anything bad that they hired her for name recognition, it's just obvious.


I have no idea if she was the most qualified for the job because I have no idea what her qualifications are and what the post required and was not involved in her interview.

That's the point, nobody here knows.. hence why it all amounts to nothing then personal attacks as nobody has the facts apart from CCP and they are the only people who matter.
floating in space
#88 - 2013-06-06 17:06:36 UTC
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#89 - 2013-06-06 17:07:23 UTC
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


CCP ALT DETECTED

Not today spaghetti.
Prince Kobol
#90 - 2013-06-06 17:09:30 UTC
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.
Solaris Ecladia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-06-06 17:10:27 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.


I hear whiteknighting is all the rage nowadays...
floating in space
#92 - 2013-06-06 17:10:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.


Belligerent disregard and resentment, yeah.
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#93 - 2013-06-06 17:11:09 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.


^^ pretty much this.

When the forum posts became personal and unprofessional, the posters lost all credibility.
Prince Kobol
#94 - 2013-06-06 17:11:28 UTC
Solaris Ecladia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.


I hear whiteknighting is all the rage nowadays...


I hear that posting rubbish is all the rage as well :)
Anslo
Scope Works
#95 - 2013-06-06 17:11:29 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

1. Your point being what?
2. The developers preach now.. please show me were they preach.
3. No, you are not making founded and reasons criticisms at all. I have yet to see any rounded and reasonable criticisms, only a load of vile hateful rubbish.
4. You want the ability to want answers.. lol, I have never heard so much rubbish in my life. Just because CCP likes to engage its customers like any half decent company would, it does not mean that you can then want to know why they hired and fired people.
5. Like I said, just because you are paying customers it don't mean a thing when it comes to anything outside of the game Eve, and that includes hiring people.
6. I can play that game as well.. see answer 3 :)
7. It depends on the context.. are we talking about pathology, biology or psychology.

I learned that you are talking rubbish, have a personal agenda against somebody who you have never met and also.. This is my main..


1) An employee does tasks for a company to make a product. Thus the product is altered. In this case, the product is Eve.
2) Check interviews, old posts, blog posts, etc. The very existence of the blogs, social media, and forum sections specifically to solicit crowd sourcing from the community speaks to this. They are the tenants of strong community building and branding. CCP maneuvered their brand to not only be a dynamic space sim, but a company 'in touch' with its community demonstrated by the sheer amount of interaction going on.
3) See post #52 for the criticisms. If you are not capable of reading and understanding the criticisms, then you are not credible in this argument at all and can be dismissed.
4) Why can we not want to know? Why are you using ad hominem?
5) See point 2 as to why it indeed does matter.
6) Good for you.
7) Sociological. Emergent behavioral patterns originating from a group which then spreads out to cause more action. Social media is a good example of latent action spurred on by an event.

I once again suggest you read Post #52 to understand the actual logical reasoning behind this as opposed to dismissing the claims of others as 'agenda based' or misogynistic. We don't care that she's a woman. We wouldn't care if she was a sentient lemur. It is their past action that is the issue.

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Prince Kobol
#96 - 2013-06-06 17:11:56 UTC
floating in space wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.


Belligerent disregard and resentment, yeah.



Pretty sure you need to look up the meaning of those words Blink
floating in space
#97 - 2013-06-06 17:12:57 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
floating in space wrote:
You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince


Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.


Belligerent disregard and resentment, yeah.



Pretty sure you need to look up the meaning of those words Blink


Reread your posts Roll
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#98 - 2013-06-06 17:16:30 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

I hear that posting rubbish is all the rage as well :)


You heard right and you heard it here first!

Join us next week when Pyrion Flax joins CCP! ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkzv-3vJn4w )

Not today spaghetti.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-06-06 17:17:18 UTC
Anslo wrote:
It is their past action that is the issue.


which ones? the ones where she criticized eve (far from the first ccp employee to do so)?
Prince Kobol
#100 - 2013-06-06 17:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Anslo wrote:


1) An employee does tasks for a company to make a product. Thus the product is altered. In this case, the product is Eve.
2) Check interviews, old posts, blog posts, etc. The very existence of the blogs, social media, and forum sections specifically to solicit crowd sourcing from the community speaks to this. They are the tenants of strong community building and branding. CCP maneuvered their brand to not only be a dynamic space sim, but a company 'in touch' with its community demonstrated by the sheer amount of interaction going on.
3) See post #52 for the criticisms. If you are not capable of reading and understanding the criticisms, then you are not credible in this argument at all and can be dismissed.
4) Why can we not want to know? Why are you using ad hominem?
5) See point 2 as to why it indeed does matter.
6) Good for you.
7) Sociological. Emergent behavioral patterns originating from a group which then spreads out to cause more action. Social media is a good example of latent action spurred on by an event.

I once again suggest you read Post #52 to understand the actual logical reasoning behind this as opposed to dismissing the claims of others as 'agenda based' or misogynistic. We don't care that she's a woman. We wouldn't care if she was a sentient lemur. It is their past action that is the issue.


Here we go again..

1. The task in question is answering questions and forum moderation for Dust.. how does that effect Eve?

2. Yet at no point would I consider any of them preaching.. like I asked before.. give me a link to something which can be classed as preaching.

3. I have read them but all I see is personal attacks and nothing which states that she can not do the job that she has been hired for. In fact she has things which would make her a good candidate such as having over 25k subs on her youtube channel which would indicate that people like her, which is good for a community rep.

4. You can not know because if has nothing to do with you. Also, I am pretty damn sure that CCP are not able to post what her qualification are because that would be classed as private data.

5. See point 2.

6. Thank you :)

7. Lol.. well you have me beat by that one. Far too clever for me :)

Her past actions have no relation to her job. So she posts youtube vids, which in my own personal opinion are awful, she complained about the Eve community.. who hasn't, and as for the rest I will not talk about as what she does in her personal life is up to her and nothing to do with anybody here.