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First day - a little ice mining report

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#181 - 2013-06-06 13:08:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.



Ah the good old "I hope to represent the player base so I can be elected to the CSM then once im elected screw the players line" It hasnt been awhile since i have seen this. Really your a csm and you openly insult a specific playstyle yeah your going places. Its not easy mode fyi I mined ice for my pos but because of real life (yeah I have job wife and family to take care of) I am limited in my playtime so a ice belt that is depleted in 30mins does not help me at all. I have quit ice mining tore down my pos and thinking of dropping my alt accounts so good job CCP.

Malcanis you should be ashamed to call yourself a CSM.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#182 - 2013-06-06 13:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
RomeStar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.



Ah the good old "I hope to represent the player base so I can be elected to the CSM then once im elected screw the players line" It hasnt been awhile since i have seen this. Really your a csm and you openly insult a specific playstyle yeah your going places. Its not easy mode fyi I mined ice for my pos but because of real life (yeah I have job wife and family to take care of) I am limited in my playtime so a ice belt that is depleted in 30mins does not help me at all. I have quit ice mining tore down my pos and thinking of dropping my alt accounts so good job CCP.

Malcanis you should be ashamed to call yourself a CSM.


warp to belt, activate miners, go do something else for an hour.


Yea sounds like it was hard...

Also Mal is doing a fine job representng me.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2013-06-06 13:14:12 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.



Ah the good old "I hope to represent the player base so I can be elected to the CSM then once im elected screw the players line" It hasnt been awhile since i have seen this. Really your a csm and you openly insult a specific playstyle yeah your going places. Its not easy mode fyi I mined ice for my pos but because of real life (yeah I have job wife and family to take care of) I am limited in my playtime so a ice belt that is depleted in 30mins does not help me at all. I have quit ice mining tore down my pos and thinking of dropping my alt accounts so good job CCP.

Malcanis you should be ashamed to call yourself a CSM.


If in your limited playtime all you do is grind so you can continue grinding, where's the fun? Find some activity that not only pays for your playtime, but is actually fun as well. Problem solved. I too have wife and two kids and all that, yet when I have the game open I focus solely on having fun in the game and wouldn't even consider just opening it to grind. Games are entertainment, if you are "entertained" so much by the game that you rather alt tab out of it, then what's the point? Keep the game closed entirely and do whatever it is that keeps you busy in the other screen.

The only thing I see Malcanis criticizing here is the self entitled attitude of people who are dismayed about not being able to afk their way in the game. Go out there and actually play it, there's a lot more to the game than mindless grind.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#184 - 2013-06-06 13:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
baltec1 wrote:
Just want to say, I have a freighter full.


Is taht stuff you mined yourself, or did you borrow someone's freighter? Lol

(where by "borrow" I mean "steal")

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#185 - 2013-06-06 13:21:03 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Some will wander off to actually discover another part of the game, and ASTONISHINGLY enough, they will have fun !

Some will discover how easy it is to make ISK in other parts of the game.

And a few will quit outright, because they have neither the interest nor the imagination to get past the "CCP screwed my ISK fountain" mentality. Roll

I'm not seeing any downsides to any of that. Cool

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#186 - 2013-06-06 13:22:01 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Just want to say, I have a freighter full.


Is taht stuff you mined yourself, or did you borrow someone's freighter? Lol

(where by "borrow" I mean "steal")


Oh its my own stuff. I'm adding it to the mound of "donated" snow right now
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#187 - 2013-06-06 13:24:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.


I really regret having voted for you now.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-06-06 13:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
...

True, but taking away things for people to do is generally a bad design pattern. More to do = more sand, less to do = less sand. Telling people that they can always do something else is pretty moot, as that 'something else' might just as well be something not involving an Eve-O subscription. It is not everybody who want to pay a monthly subscription just to be able to troll the forums, and one subscription less should always be taken with a certain amount of attention (not a lot, but a bit).

And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.

Though, let us do like CCP and look how things develop over the coming months. There is probably huge stockpiles of isotopes that needs to be sold before things stabilize.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Seniae 0n3
#189 - 2013-06-06 13:30:36 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.


I really regret having voted for you now.


Why? you voted for the easymode isk?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#190 - 2013-06-06 13:30:37 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
I really regret having voted for you now.


A leopard can't change its spots.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#191 - 2013-06-06 13:32:58 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
...

True, but taking away things for people to do is generally a bad design pattern. More to do = more sand, less to do = less sand. Telling people that they can always do something else is pretty moot, as that 'something else' might just as well be something not involving an Eve-O subscription. It is not everybody who want to pay a monthly subscription just to be able to troll the forums, and one subscription less should always be taken with a certain amount of attention (not a lot, but a bit).

And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.

Though, let us do like CCP and look how things develop over the coming months. There is probably huge stockpiles of isotopes that needs to be sold before things stabilize.


But nobody has taken away ice mining.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#192 - 2013-06-06 13:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Jowen Datloran wrote:
And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.


You have to be careful what you wish for. To the combat-oriented players like Malcanis and CCP Soundwave, having "stuff to do" means having things that will keep you at the keyboard pressing buttons and clicking the mouse.

In my book, all mining should be moved to anomalies. This way you can't set up bookmarks to allow for perfect positioning every time you head out to mine. In fact i'd prefer that all mining was moved to grav sites, so you have to do some exploration in order to find the good belts: but apparently CCP thinks otherwise, since they moved grav sites to anomalies.

Moving ice fields to anomalies and severely reducing the quantity of ice available to harvest is an excellent move, in my opinion. Eventually the price will rise high enough that heading out to lowsec to ninja-harvest ice in a skiff isn't going to be a totally insane idea. Sure, this will break AFK mining but it still leaves room for the folks who like to just watch the mining lasers cycling while sharing a beer with their corpmates.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#193 - 2013-06-06 13:36:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
baltec1 wrote:

But nobody has taken away ice mining.

Reducing accessibility is still giving people less to do.

Add. As a contrary, exploration has had it accessibility increased with Odyssey to give people more to do.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#194 - 2013-06-06 13:37:38 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


But nobody has taken away ice mining.

Reducing accessibility is still giving people less to do.


There is still plenty of ice out there for people to mine.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#195 - 2013-06-06 13:38:34 UTC
Right...

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2013-06-06 13:39:53 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
...

True, but taking away things for people to do is generally a bad design pattern. More to do = more sand, less to do = less sand. Telling people that they can always do something else is pretty moot, as that 'something else' might just as well be something not involving an Eve-O subscription. It is not everybody who want to pay a monthly subscription just to be able to troll the forums, and one subscription less should always be taken with a certain amount of attention (not a lot, but a bit).

And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.

Though, let us do like CCP and look how things develop over the coming months. There is probably huge stockpiles of isotopes that needs to be sold before things stabilize.


But that's just it, CCP didn't take away the activity of ice or ore mining at all, they merely changed it so that it requires a bit more user interaction. Similarily a lot of other professions were changed with the expansion, ranging from wormhole dwellers and explorers like me with the scanning changes, pvp'rs with the gate flash and ship changes. The list could go on and on and in the end all we as players can do is adapt to those changes. The goal of them is to improve the game afterall, and there's just no way that anyone can seriously claim that an in game activity that formerly was done by watching youtube doesn't get improved by getting the person to actually play the game instead.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#197 - 2013-06-06 13:40:23 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
RomeStar wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.


Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.



Ah the good old "I hope to represent the player base so I can be elected to the CSM then once im elected screw the players line" It hasnt been awhile since i have seen this. Really your a csm and you openly insult a specific playstyle yeah your going places. Its not easy mode fyi I mined ice for my pos but because of real life (yeah I have job wife and family to take care of) I am limited in my playtime so a ice belt that is depleted in 30mins does not help me at all. I have quit ice mining tore down my pos and thinking of dropping my alt accounts so good job CCP.

Malcanis you should be ashamed to call yourself a CSM.


If in your limited playtime all you do is grind so you can continue grinding, where's the fun? Find some activity that not only pays for your playtime, but is actually fun as well. Problem solved. I too have wife and two kids and all that, yet when I have the game open I focus solely on having fun in the game and wouldn't even consider just opening it to grind. Games are entertainment, if you are "entertained" so much by the game that you rather alt tab out of it, then what's the point? Keep the game closed entirely and do whatever it is that keeps you busy in the other screen.

The only thing I see Malcanis criticizing here is the self entitled attitude of people who are dismayed about not being able to afk their way in the game. Go out there and actually play it, there's a lot more to the game than mindless grind.


I never said I dont have fun in eve what I said is I see no reason for keeping my mining alts accounts active which results in less profit for CCP but if you think that is a good thing which Malcanis is suggesting then by all means close your alt accounts.

CCP encourages alt accounts but wants to remove AFK gameplay does that make sense? All you did was kill ice mining alt accounts.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Seniae 0n3
#198 - 2013-06-06 13:40:47 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
...

True, but taking away things for people to do is generally a bad design pattern. More to do = more sand, less to do = less sand. Telling people that they can always do something else is pretty moot, as that 'something else' might just as well be something not involving an Eve-O subscription. It is not everybody who want to pay a monthly subscription just to be able to troll the forums, and one subscription less should always be taken with a certain amount of attention (not a lot, but a bit).

And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.

Though, let us do like CCP and look how things develop over the coming months. There is probably huge stockpiles of isotopes that needs to be sold before things stabilize.


It's not really the isotopes why we need so much ice ... you need most ice for strontium to reinforce your POS
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#199 - 2013-06-06 13:40:47 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Right...


Have you been to low sec?
Dave Stark
#200 - 2013-06-06 13:45:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Right...


Have you been to low sec?


haha you're like a dog with a bone.