Ships & Modules

It's a cute line...

In reality, there is a diminishing returns on points... Once you have enough points to prevent warp, any additional points have no additional benefit!

It woudl better be used on opposite direction.. to make warp core stabs weaker.


Make 1 point of warp strenght means 100% chance. Eveluation being made every 5 seconds or so. MAke each weap core stab reduce that by 50%. So 1 warp core stabs might make you warp away... or not....

To make is "fair" we can use diminishing returns. Every extra point adds 50% over the base strenght and every warp core stab 50% over the resistance.

Effectively creating an attribute resistance to warp, just like to EM, Explosive etc..


but this is not something that can be balanced out in 2-3 forum posts.

Okay, so what this boils down to is that the OP got webbed and scrammed and died, and is frustrated he didn't have a chance. So he's trying to make it "fair".

I'll reiterate my previous point: If the fight is fair, both sides failed to prepare. And it should stay that way.

So basically all the neigh sayers to this guys suggestion is: "We don't want pvp to be more dynamic, learning to play with more tactics available to both sides is just too hard. I have no real point to make in my argument so I will automatically state that he fails at EVE despite having no proof of this either. I'll just half read his posts and assume a constructed scenario he's using to support his argument was a real event."

I personally like the fact that this guy is trying to come up with a way to make pvp less 100% guaranteed victory just because someone got a point off on a non combat ship. He's not even asking for the poor noob out in his badger to have a 50% chance at surviving, just something slightly more then the minute chance that the aggressor decides to not kill his ship that can easily be negated by the aggressor.

Since falloff and wrecking hits both average out to a nice curve in about the time it takes for a fight to be resolved and are therefore not really all that random can you elaborate on what parts of PvP in EVE are random aside from ECM? Also who gives a flying **** what other games do for their PvP mechanics, other games are not EVE.

The vast majority of PvP mechanics in EVE are not random at all. This means that planning and tactics mean something. This is a good thing. It should stay this way. Loosing a fight or loosing a kill because the RNG god doesn't like you that day is just stupid.

You are implying that adding RNG to points would add something fun and/or interesting to game play. I disagree, quite strongly. In fact your point about ECM is a great example. The more the RNG matters to any particular PvP mechanic the worse it is for game play. ECM used to be an absolute succeed or fail thing with no RNG. But that was way too OP so CCP made it random. So it went from OP without RNG to just incredibly annoying with RNG.

The impact of RNG on gameplay mainly depends on its result, not its chance. For example, adding 0.0000000001% chance of account deletion when you get podkilled would have far more impact than adding 50% chance of losing additional 10mil isk at clone activation.

Likewise, your suggestion would have "too damn high" impact on gameplay, no matter how low its chance. Its impact could be higher than ECM, as it does not require anything from victim. (other than clicking warp to 0 button like crazy)


If you still don't think your suggestion has high impact, see if you can say that following rule is fine :

At the end of basketball (soccer, baseball, football, whatever) match, losing team roll a dice twice ~ five times, depending on the score. if all the results are 1, (which has probability of 1/36 to 1/7776), the match is recorded as draw.

I think the problem is that the OP got pointed in a freighter and had to watch it die. It's evident that he didn't have any available tools (ECM, stabs, etc.), and now he's cross about it, so his solution is to have the game provide tools for him. "Gee, my freighter has 190k ehp, so if I could just get the game to have such a diminishing return on points, I could have just warped away regardless, thanks to my buffer."

The other LOL thing that the OP mentioned is that stabs and ECM (and modules like that) are ones you have to fit *before* you undock vs. just having built-in tools supplied by the game. Well no sh*t Sherlock! That's the whole point!

Statements like that and others he's made in the ensuing responses shows how much the OP doesn't know Eve's game design or design intent. If he did, he would understand that fitting choices are what drive the game. The whole point to having modules in the first place is to force a player to make choices. Will I fit a scram, point or web? Do I need X or Y for what I want to do? Knowing that he's so far off of Eve's game design mechanics just makes the whole thread that much funnier, especially since he tries to sell us on his knowledge of the game.

To the OP, this is the worst idea I have ever read. There's already things in place to protect yourself from warp jammers, and if it's something like a freighter, then, hey, you know, this is a social game and maybe you could get some friends to scout for you. But the ideas of some diminishing returns on points? No, that's terrible and you should feel bad.