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The Last Straw

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-06-06 08:53:43 UTC
dexington wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.


Eve is not unlimited freedom, the sandbox has it's limits. There are technical limitations, some limitations comes from the game design and there are limitations that comes from having to share the sandbox with other players.

Think about what you are trying to do, you want to go to the most competitive area in eve, take territory from other players, and you are upset about they are not going to make it easy for you. You decide you want to do it on your own, without any help, they decide to count on the help of friends and allies.



The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game. Players are set in how much they can do, when they can do it, how they can do it and where they can do it. No different that the limits placed on players in other, yes, themepark games.

If I wanted to bomb the 18 or ships outside the Caldari Naval station in Jita, in a true sandbox game I could. In EvE I can't because the very PvPers I'd be bombing will cry and whine about "unfairness". They'll cry and moan about lost assets. Their CSM buddies will come in and proclaim it's a travesty costing billions of ISK.

EvE is a conditional sandbox game. Not a true sandbox game where the player is king.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#62 - 2013-06-06 08:54:57 UTC
Making all of EvE null means that those same massive powers that dominate null will then dominate all of EvE IMO, forcing everyone to join one of those blocks of power. No thank you :)

I agree that the CSM should be balanced also.

It's too bad you can't find another path in EvE that would be enjoyable though. No lo or hisec for you at all then?

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-06-06 08:56:14 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game.


Do you know of any true sandbox games, seem to me every game considered a sandbox game has limits.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#64 - 2013-06-06 08:57:41 UTC
If people are going to use the overused meme of "Give me your stuff" at least make an attempt to be original.

Thanks

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2013-06-06 08:59:10 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game. Players are set in how much they can do, when they can do it, how they can do it and where they can do it. No different that the limits placed on players in other, yes, themepark games.

If I wanted to bomb the 18 or ships outside the Caldari Naval station in Jita, in a true sandbox game I could. In EvE I can't because the very PvPers I'd be bombing will cry and whine about "unfairness". They'll cry and moan about lost assets. Their CSM buddies will come in and proclaim it's a travesty costing billions of ISK.

EvE is a conditional sandbox game. Not a true sandbox game where the player is king.


So how do we manage to "bomb" the hundreds of fools often in ships with billions in cargo?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#66 - 2013-06-06 09:02:04 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
dexington wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.


Eve is not unlimited freedom, the sandbox has it's limits. There are technical limitations, some limitations comes from the game design and there are limitations that comes from having to share the sandbox with other players.

Think about what you are trying to do, you want to go to the most competitive area in eve, take territory from other players, and you are upset about they are not going to make it easy for you. You decide you want to do it on your own, without any help, they decide to count on the help of friends and allies.



The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game. Players are set in how much they can do, when they can do it, how they can do it and where they can do it. No different that the limits placed on players in other, yes, themepark games.

If I wanted to bomb the 18 or ships outside the Caldari Naval station in Jita, in a true sandbox game I could. In EvE I can't because the very PvPers I'd be bombing will cry and whine about "unfairness". They'll cry and moan about lost assets. Their CSM buddies will come in and proclaim it's a travesty costing billions of ISK.

EvE is a conditional sandbox game. Not a true sandbox game where the player is king.


So come to 0.0; you can bomb wherever you like.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

XJennieX
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-06-06 09:04:45 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.


You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.


His master will lock him in a corner somewhere for a week, then all will be well.

Now seriously, can I have your stuff? It's not like you'll need it anymore.

Anyone who doesn't give away their stuff is still leaving the door open to coming back. Doesn't show commitment if you ask me.



why would he want to give his stuff to some ******* in this game when he can just buy whatever with his isk and then trash it all.

thats what i will do when i finally quit. no scraps for anyone cos i hate you all Lol
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-06-06 09:05:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So how do we manage to "bomb" the hundreds of fools often in ships with billions in cargo?


Did you bomb the hundreds of ships that pass thru that naval station in Jita?

Or in the conditional zone called null?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#69 - 2013-06-06 09:15:32 UTC
I love all the "I've been playing for ten years and I've had it, change the game for me CCP I'm an entitled crybaby" threads. Do you really think your silly outburst is going to make CCP change EVE just for you? They don't and shouldn't care, and neither do we. The very fact that you're keeping your stuff suggests that this is just a tantrum and you'll crawl back and try to tackle Goons with ten men again tomorrow.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2013-06-06 09:19:06 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So how do we manage to "bomb" the hundreds of fools often in ships with billions in cargo?


Did you bomb the hundreds of ships that pass thru that naval station in Jita?

Or in the conditional zone called null?


Oh man you really have no idea what's been going on for the last 18 months...
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-06-06 09:23:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Oh man you really have no idea what's been going on for the last 18 months...


Probably because I haven't played in years? Idea

But the last time I checked, bombing isn't allowed in Jita...

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#72 - 2013-06-06 09:25:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So how do we manage to "bomb" the hundreds of fools often in ships with billions in cargo?


Did you bomb the hundreds of ships that pass thru that naval station in Jita?

Or in the conditional zone called null?


Oh man you really have no idea ...


Fixed that for you Twisted
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#73 - 2013-06-06 09:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Sethose Olderon wrote:
After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.


so you failed at building an alliance, sustaining it and taking 0.0 space, thousands have, what's differenet about you?

i'm guessing you want sov with thousands of players in your alliance without doing any of the background work ?

a we all get together and just take it attitude, good luck with that.

there is more than enough to do in EVE, infact i can't get enough time to do the things i want, ffs lol.

I'm sorry OP, glad you where here, glad you stayed the coarse for so long, but this is just another "i'm taking my ball and going home" thread.

your're a vet you know the score, say good bye and watch that door doesn't smack you in the ass on the way out. Lol

best of luck o/
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-06-06 09:28:39 UTC
Clearly EVE isn't a sandbox, because I haven't yet figured out how to get my character to pick his own nose.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#75 - 2013-06-06 09:30:34 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Oh man you really have no idea what's been going on for the last 18 months...


Probably because I haven't played in years? Idea

But the last time I checked, bombing isn't allowed in Jita...


Which is why he used "bomb" instead of bomb.

Just because there are some restrictions in hisec does not mean EVE is not a sandbox - it means certain areas aren't truly unlimited. Usually because the restrictions were needed to permit the game to continue.

Outside those restricted areas it's up to what the other players let you get away with.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2013-06-06 09:32:26 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


Probably because I haven't played in years? Idea

But the last time I checked, bombing isn't allowed in Jita...


Tell that to the navy raven that smart bombed a bunch of pods in a very well done trap in jita.

As for us, we find blasters work much better for our high sec farming.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-06-06 09:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
"Sandbox" doesn't mean there are no rules or limitations. Sandboxes have walls and they're governed by laws of physics. Someone's activities in the sandbox can be augmented or hampered by someone else's. We can build a really big sandcastle together. I can **** on your sandcastle. We can't make our sandcastles levitate, though, nor can you build a nuclear bomb out of sand.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-06-06 10:24:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
"Sandbox" doesn't mean there are no rules or limitations. Sandboxes have walls and they're governed by laws of physics.


No, devs.

And with that said, I made my point.

Troll on!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-06-06 10:24:52 UTC
It sounds to me like you want less "sandbox" and more "god mode". No 50-200 man group should be able to thoroughly topple a 5000+ man alliance and take their space, unless the larger group allows them to do so (or some crafty metagame **** is pulled off). I don't care what your ego says should be possible, that just wouldn't make sense if it could be done.
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-06-06 10:27:41 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.


Where is the stealth?