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Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#41 - 2011-11-05 10:20:34 UTC
I have no problem making ~5mil LP a month running lvl5s.

I triple box. They aren't a true solo isk maker...mainly because with such low dps it takes you forever to clear a mission which means you are going to get ganked. I finish most mission in less than 15mins, I turn down ones I know I can't. With 3 characters able to use 3 agents with 9+ faction standing I never have any downtime due to decline timer. By the time people have noticed me and narrowed me down most of the time I'm done and just chill at 100km off the warp in beacon and shoot them a couple times and warp off :D

Yes you can't do mission at Ammamake or Tama unless maybe you're in some big blob or au/nz timezone but quieter area with few pirate it is no problem from my experience. Where I live there is I think 2 other guys who farm lvl5s like myself. We have noobs always come in their rattlers and ishtars. I pop these dudes :D In the quiet time I run mission myself. Since the unprobeable nerf I've lost 2 x t1 battleship while doing lvl5s, 1 to pvp and 1 to pve. Takes me less than half an hour to pay for a new rigged and fitted bs. I use tengu to tank...I can say I never going to lose that unless I screw up very badly somehow (drunk asleep at keyboard, house on fire etc). Even if I lose it would be paid for in a 3-4 hours (fit is kind of expensive) and it has paid for itself many many times over.

Anyway,, if they add more agent in area away from high->low and low->null entry point then I'm sure even more people can do even if it is just pirates/fw dudes living in the deeper low sec.
Dennmoth Ferdier
Zero Gravity Productions
#42 - 2011-11-05 12:07:17 UTC
Desudes wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
One of these activities require teamwork, the other can easily be farmed in a single passive tanked rattler.


I'd be interested to see solo rattler L5 ISK/hr; I do believe most people use at least 3 ships.

With the dps it would put out it would be utter crap (if it were in a L4, I've never done L5) compared to incursions.


thing was you could do them afk in a reasonable amount of time, i used to have the computer running during the day and just come back now and again to check that i was still alive Smile

hotkeys and sellotape ftw
Dennmoth Ferdier
Zero Gravity Productions
#43 - 2011-11-05 12:10:08 UTC
for the low sec 5s i used either a loki booster with a tengu or a tengu tanker and sb dps. Yes an sb, hehehe.
laysha
DBR Corp
#44 - 2011-11-06 00:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: laysha
Rip Minner wrote:



Thats true too. But the stores would probly be more of a isk sink if they just dropped or removed tags and just upped the isk some. On the other hand what would the poor boys in FW do if they removed the demand for tags?





I doubt anyone doing FW relies on tags for income, if they do then they're doing it wrong. On a good day when i used to do FW missions i would make anywhere from 200k to 280k in as little as 90 min relatively undisturbed (less before agent quality was removed but the value of LP items where higher then so it evened out) just blitzing them in a bomber. The money is in the LP not tags
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#45 - 2011-11-06 07:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
laysha wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:



Thats true too. But the stores would probly be more of a isk sink if they just dropped or removed tags and just upped the isk some. On the other hand what would the poor boys in FW do if they removed the demand for tags?





I doubt anyone doing FW relies on tags for income, if they do then they're doing it wrong. On a good day when i used to do FW missions i would make anywhere from 200k to 280k in as little as 90 min relatively undisturbed (less before agent quality was removed but the value of LP items where higher then so it evened out) just blitzing them in a bomber. The money is in the LP not tags



Not trying to burst your bubble but most of the LP stores is tied to tages omost as much as to LP? Kind of need them tages too don't ya?

Edit: And yes I know some iteams dont need tags for them. But the overwelming majority of iteams do.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
laysha
DBR Corp
#46 - 2011-11-06 08:39:11 UTC
Rip Minner wrote:
laysha wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:



Thats true too. But the stores would probly be more of a isk sink if they just dropped or removed tags and just upped the isk some. On the other hand what would the poor boys in FW do if they removed the demand for tags?





I doubt anyone doing FW relies on tags for income, if they do then they're doing it wrong. On a good day when i used to do FW missions i would make anywhere from 200k to 280k in as little as 90 min relatively undisturbed (less before agent quality was removed but the value of LP items where higher then so it evened out) just blitzing them in a bomber. The money is in the LP not tags



Not trying to burst your bubble but most of the LP stores is tied to tages omost as much as to LP? Kind of need them tages too don't ya?

Edit: And yes I know some iteams dont need tags for them. But the overwelming majority of iteams do.


And i'm telling you the tags on the marked more then likely don't come from FW cause it's a complete waste of time trying to farm them with the LP payout on those missions. It's way easier, less risky and more profitable to just blitz, get the LP and buy the tags.

In other words, the FW people will do just fine if you remove the demand for tags
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#47 - 2011-11-06 10:51:49 UTC
laysha wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:
laysha wrote:
Rip Minner wrote:



Thats true too. But the stores would probly be more of a isk sink if they just dropped or removed tags and just upped the isk some. On the other hand what would the poor boys in FW do if they removed the demand for tags?





I doubt anyone doing FW relies on tags for income, if they do then they're doing it wrong. On a good day when i used to do FW missions i would make anywhere from 200k to 280k in as little as 90 min relatively undisturbed (less before agent quality was removed but the value of LP items where higher then so it evened out) just blitzing them in a bomber. The money is in the LP not tags



Not trying to burst your bubble but most of the LP stores is tied to tages omost as much as to LP? Kind of need them tages too don't ya?

Edit: And yes I know some iteams dont need tags for them. But the overwelming majority of iteams do.


And i'm telling you the tags on the marked more then likely don't come from FW cause it's a complete waste of time trying to farm them with the LP payout on those missions. It's way easier, less risky and more profitable to just blitz, get the LP and buy the tags.

In other words, the FW people will do just fine if you remove the demand for tags



Ya your right I see what your saying now. I do know some FW people that go after the tags to sale on the open market becouse there geting kind of high just right now too though. Or mybe your FW tags are not that high in price just at the moment ether. But ya I'm all for droping tages at least for using them for LP stores. Keep the tags and have a npc buy them or something.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#48 - 2011-11-07 07:20:32 UTC
laysha wrote:


And i'm telling you the tags on the marked more then likely don't come from FW cause it's a complete waste of time trying to farm them with the LP payout on those missions. It's way easier, less risky and more profitable to just blitz, get the LP and buy the tags.

In other words, the FW people will do just fine if you remove the demand for tags


While you are right, the same applies to L4 missions too. So who es actually farming all those tags we are buying? Guess its those who are doing more risky and less profitable missions and just sell those tags.

Remove insurance.
giglio
Lost Misanthropes
#49 - 2012-01-02 17:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: giglio
I hope level 5 missions will be back in high sec.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#50 - 2012-01-02 22:54:58 UTC
Move level 3, 4, and 5 missions, as well as incursions, and the problem is not only solved, the game is much better for it. Getting filthy rich in the noob zone shouldn't be an option (so while you're at it, do something to develop a solid industry and economy outside of highsec as well.)

Even from an immersion point of view, level 3's and up at least don't make sense if they're in highsec. It's high security space for crying out loud, what are all those enemy battleships doing there?

Then again, expecting balance in this game after all these years is kind of a joke. Hopefully the new lead producer does a good job of things.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Goose99
#51 - 2012-01-02 23:09:53 UTC
If lvl5s were changed to be like FW missions, there would be no issue. As is, only tards would fly fat insta-scannable pve boats that's scrammed, permaneuted, pummeled by rats and stay there for an hour per mission in lowsec.Lol
Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#52 - 2012-01-03 03:10:15 UTC
Incursions are a group activity, lvl 5s are generally not. When lvl 5s were in highsec, bears would just use super pimped ships and/or an alt and solo them. The idea was to add real group content to all parts of the game with incursions, not just 'me and my alts'.
Pi-zwei one
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-01-03 07:38:41 UTC
Reduce LP by half for high-sec Lv 5's = win.
VIP Ares
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-01-03 08:54:41 UTC
Remove incursions from high sec 4tw.

http://www.balex.info/index.php/pilot_detail/47623/
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