EVE General Discussion

Although the majority of people will Mine for Profit, others Mine Ice for their own use. I have my Ore trained Characters to mine for Manufacturing, and I have my Ice trained Characters to use for Fuel.

Sure I can go do something else to make ISK and buy it, but this is what I enjoy, and if I can't be Online within the timeframe that there are belts around, then it is taking a part of my experience away from the game.

It's like if they Limit it so you can manufacture 1 Ship per Character. It would be better off selling the Ore and buying a Ship. That though, completely defeats the purpose of the people who enjoy the Industrial side of the game.

I completely understand why these changes are made, and I am very happy with them, but slightly tweaking it will not bring back the AFK / Macro Miners. They need to do trial and error for the people who do pay attention to their game.

it's irrelevant why people mine. invest 5 days and you have all of your characters trained for ice, like i said it's not a big skill point investment. not that that really matters in any way.

if it's what you enjoy, then go and do it. nothing is stopping you. if you can't be online within the time frame that the 1 ice belt in your system spawns then perhaps you don't like it as much as you say, or you'd move a few jumps over and mine in another system where an ice belt has spawned. stop blaming the changes for exposing how lazy you are. the only thing detracting from your experience is your own laziness.

The other day I went from System to system for 5 hours looking for a Belt. I can assure you, this has nothing to do with my Laziness. I have accepted and enjoy the change, but as everything else after a change, things need to be tweaked so it works for everyone.

To trying and judge how someone plays the game, or how much time he can dedicate to the game each day is kinda far fetched don't you think.

did you actually go to ice systems, or just random systems because that'll make a difference.

nobody is judging or dictating how/when people play the game, at all.

I really don't understand all these people constantly whining about everything.

As a casual industrialist, I would say I spend about 30% of my time mining ore in high-sec for manufacturing purposes, 10% I spend doing level 4 missions just for some variety, although in my experience both are about equally engaging (shoot rocks, shooting red crosses, whatever, it's all the same). Another 10% is spent managing my POS (requeue research and jobs, as well as obtaining the ice and transporting goods for sale).

The rest of my time I spend in low-sec, where I get a large portion of my rare ores and where I keep my PI, which I use for both POS fuel and materials for tech 2 production. I also do exploration in low-sec, because I cannot be arsed to deal with the overcrowded competition of high-sec when it comes to exploration.

I do all these things, because I enjoy doing them. I avoid the things I don't do, because I don't particularly enjoy doing them. You will notice I left out PvP, as I am not very interested in this. Despite this, I am aware that this is a PvP game and I actually enjoy trying to avoid getting caught while I am in low-sec. This is not always successful, but I have learned to give my opponents a "gf", both in terms of saying it and in terms of combating them if they manage to catch me.

In the end, I just don't understand why people insist on playing this game if all they do is whine about playing it. As far as I know, you volunteer to spend your time in this game, do you not?

Ah well, maybe they enjoy the whining.

I guess it is also a matter of "vocal minority"... the people who want to whine will be in this thread, while those who do not whine will simply adapt and move on (to Dave: those are probably the ones you still see in the belts).

Speaking of moving on... back to EVE!

no i'm not. i'm pointing out that if you spent less time whining and more time mining ice, you wouldn't have a problem. i'm telling you to stop being lazy, not to sit at your computer for 16 hours a day.

i'm well aware of how long they last, and how many miners it takes to get them to respawn 5x per day, etc, i did all of these calculations about a month ago. nothing has stopped people continuing to enjoy their gameplay style, and in fact they're now earning more isk while enjoying their gameplay style.

Your trying to judge that I'm "Lazy" because I have had a bad run of trying to find them for the time I have been on [and yes, looking in Systems that had Ice Belts originally]. So your either Trolling, or your just not reading Correctly.

I have explored.
I haven't found many.
Usually when I get there, it has 1 - 3 blocks left.
By the time I get in range, it is Depleted.

The point that your clearly missing that I'm trying to make is...

Everything needs tweaking after a release, nothing is ever released perfect.

Yea but requires them to do something.

To all the "tiers" about the loss of...
1) mine cycle-time reduced
2) it's a little harder for the botters
3) higher prices for less time mining the stuff
4) and with it being so...... hard, prices will stay high.
5) use a alt or jump-clone for different ice systems

Options for the heavely nerfed solo players; never bet on one horse.
if you can't find a site in your one hours of game time, do some PI/trade/exploration
join a corp how can help you, intel, low-sec, ect
low-sec with a station or/and save pos

For the record i also just got 1-2 hours for 3-5 days a week,
and i've adapted just fine, i making even more isk atm.

Or truly randomizing the spawn time and location.

If the spawn and time is set, the same issues will repeat itself.