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Bring back gate flash

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THC Trader
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-05 10:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: THC Trader
When someone jumps into a system, there should be an audible sound, as well as a visual cue to indicate that they have come through your gate. Basically, it should work the same as before. Stop breaking ****.

As it is now, there is absolutely no noticeable indication that they've come through the gate you're on.
Sakkar Arenith
Kenmei Corporation
#2 - 2013-06-05 11:02:22 UTC
yes you do. too busy ranting to notice the electric discharge animation when someone uses the gate?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#3 - 2013-06-05 11:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Let me take a stab at this: You're a die-hard gate camper that doesn't notice when ships appear through the stargates because there's no "Flash" or sound anymore meaning you can't Facebook or whatever and only have to pay attention when EVE tells you someone just jumped into the system through the gate you're camping? Am I right?

Effort in = results out. Watch your screen and earn those kills.

EDIT: Is the free intel in Local Chat not enough for you that you need audio and visual cues to get you to look at the screen?

EDIT2: Try posting this up in the Official Odyssey Feedback Thread as well if you want to add your feedback.
THC Trader
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-06-05 11:49:11 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Let me take a stab at this: You're a die-hard gate camper that doesn't notice when ships appear through the stargates because theres no "Flash" or sound anymore meaning you can't Facbook or whatever and only have to pay attention when EVE tells you someone just jumped into the system through the gate you're camping? Am I right?

Effort in = results out. Watch your screen and earn those kills.

EDIT: Is the free intel in Local Chat not enough for you that you need audio and visual cues to get you to look at the screen?

EDIT2: Try posting this up in the Official Odyssey Feedback Thread as well if you want to add your feedback.

If you want to start a knife fight then let me bring my machete. You're a forum warrior who's mad because he can't autopilot his way through nullsec thanks to gate camps?

The issue isn't gate camping. I don't gate camp, it's boring as ****, and I have much better ways to get my kills. What if I'm fighting on a gate? Someone jumps into local, and because I'm focusing on the fight, I don't know what gate they came from as I'm not staring at the gate I'm on looking for that almost impossible to see indication. This is just one example, it causes problems all around and I fail to see any justification for it really.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-05 11:51:19 UTC
Poor gate campers.

I have an Iteron full of tissues. Which system should I deliver too?

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#6 - 2013-06-05 12:23:16 UTC
From an immersion point of view, why the hell should the gate flash when someone jumps in?

It flashes when someone jumps out because it is flinging them across space. When someone jumps in, the destination stargate isn't actually doing anything at all. The only reason you land on grid with a stargate when you jump into a new system is to increase player interaction. There's no reason at all in the lore why a stargate should have to drop you anywhere near to the return stargate so stop whining and pay attention. You should be thanking CCP for making the game more challenging and thus further separating the noobs from the competents.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.

Rayzilla Zaraki
Yin Jian Enterprises
#7 - 2013-06-05 12:41:04 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Let me take a stab at this: You're a die-hard gate camper that doesn't notice when ships appear through the stargates because theres no "Flash" or sound anymore meaning you can't Facbook or whatever and only have to pay attention when EVE tells you someone just jumped into the system through the gate you're camping? Am I right?

Effort in = results out. Watch your screen and earn those kills.

EDIT: Is the free intel in Local Chat not enough for you that you need audio and visual cues to get you to look at the screen?

EDIT2: Try posting this up in the Official Odyssey Feedback Thread as well if you want to add your feedback.


What he said.

Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#8 - 2013-06-05 12:43:43 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
...You're a die-hard gate camper that doesn't notice when ships appear through the stargates because theres no "Flash" or sound anymore meaning you can't Facbook or whatever and only have to pay attention when EVE tells you someone just jumped into the system through the gate you're camping? Am I right?...

THC Trader wrote:
If you want to start a knife fight then let me bring my machete. You're a forum warrior who's mad because he can't autopilot his way through nullsec thanks to gate camps?


Guys, seriously, put down the blades and lets talk about this! There's no need for violence.

THC Trader, what Maximus said about which forum to post on is correct, though. I've seen a heck of a lot of people being sent that way by Maximus so you should give him a bit of leeway as if it had been me repeating the same thing over and over again I'd be a lot more aggressive than he's being by now.
THC Trader
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-06-05 15:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: THC Trader
Tchulen wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
...You're a die-hard gate camper that doesn't notice when ships appear through the stargates because theres no "Flash" or sound anymore meaning you can't Facbook or whatever and only have to pay attention when EVE tells you someone just jumped into the system through the gate you're camping? Am I right?...

THC Trader wrote:
If you want to start a knife fight then let me bring my machete. You're a forum warrior who's mad because he can't autopilot his way through nullsec thanks to gate camps?


Guys, seriously, put down the blades and lets talk about this! There's no need for violence.

THC Trader, what Maximus said about which forum to post on is correct, though. I've seen a heck of a lot of people being sent that way by Maximus so you should give him a bit of leeway as if it had been me repeating the same thing over and over again I'd be a lot more aggressive than he's being by now.


Sorry, I must have missed the ISD next to his name.

Edit: Just to clarify what I mean by this, he isn't ISD, therefore it's not his job to play forum cop. He has no right or justification for being aggressive. Making assumptions with no basis is a pretty good thing to do though.

Also, it's a bit pointless to post in the main thread like he suggests. The thread is in the correct forum. Posting all your feedback in there just globs it all together in a nearly unreadable format. Who wants to read through every post on that thread? Especially when half of them don't need to be read, because they're not really giving feedback.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#10 - 2013-06-05 15:43:51 UTC
No I'm not ISD, nor am I playing Forum Cop but I am an active member of the community trying to point people who don't know where to post their feedback and helping people with issues that I may know the answer to from reading the forums. Oh and FYI the Devs actually do read the Sticky Feedback Threads and the Sticky Issues Thread.

I'll apologise if you think I'm being aggressive, more frustrated with peoples lack of search ability or reading before typing, but in regards to your idea: without reasoning or some "flesh on the bones" for why something should be reverted\added\changed then you can only make assumptions.

What you've added, minus the sarcasm, actually adds to this thread and gives something to work with. As an FYI I don't AP through Null, I fly like a boss so come at me bro! lol. < That was a joke by the way.

Oh and bring your machete, I'll meet you with my .45 Magnum and ask you "Do you feel lucky, well do ya...Punk?" Blink
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#11 - 2013-06-05 15:49:19 UTC
THC Trader wrote:

Sorry, I must have missed the ISD next to his name.

Edit: Just to clarify what I mean by this, he isn't ISD, therefore it's not his job to play forum cop. He has no right or justification for being aggressive. Making assumptions with no basis is a pretty good thing to do though.

Also, it's a bit pointless to post in the main thread like he suggests. The thread is in the correct forum. Posting all your feedback in there just globs it all together in a nearly unreadable format. Who wants to read through every post on that thread? Especially when half of them don't need to be read, because they're not really giving feedback.


I think you might be missing the point slightly. You posted feedback to the changes recently deployed. There are already threads up which CCP are paying attention to specifically for this feedback. The reason they do this is to avoid flooding the forums with masses of individual threads all on the same or similar subjects. CCP don't want to have to find all the threads, they want to look at the few threads that have been created for the purpose.

The reason that Maximus keeps having to point this out to people is because people keep posting in the wrong place. Whether you/they think what you're/they're doing is clever or whatever you're actually Doing It Wrong (tm). If everyone did what you've done none of the threads would be read as they'd immediately get pushed off the front page (and with the number of feedback posts off the second and third pages too) within minutes and so there would then be a bumping war and it would just turn into a nightmare. That is why CCP have dedicated threads for feedback. It's to stop the forums from becoming impossible to use.

To a certain extent we're all "forum police". When someone posts in the wrong forum it's usually one of us that notifies CCP that the post needs moving. When someone uses direct insults it's usually one of us that picks them up on it. It's only when that person pushes it that CCP become involved. We're not official but we do have the ability to speak out when needed and every time I've seen Maximus point someone to the feedback threads it has indeed been needed.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#12 - 2013-06-05 15:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
THC Trader wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Let me take a stab at this

If you want to start a knife fight then let me bring my machete..


Oh and by "stab at this" it's a term we use in English (Not to be confused with English (US)), it wasn't meant in a weapons orientated aggressive manner but as in a "let me take a guess at what this is". Sorry if this was misunderstood. I also use 'u' in colour and z's instead of s's in realise and organisation.
Jade III
Sebiestor Tribe
#13 - 2013-06-05 16:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade III
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Let me take a stab at this: You're a die-hard gate camper that doesn't notice when ships appear through the stargates because theres no "Flash" or sound anymore meaning you can't Facbook or whatever and only have to pay attention when EVE tells you someone just jumped into the system through the gate you're camping? Am I right?

Effort in = results out. Watch your screen and earn those kills.

EDIT: Is the free intel in Local Chat not enough for you that you need audio and visual cues to get you to look at the screen?

EDIT2: Try posting this up in the Official Odyssey Feedback Thread as well if you want to add your feedback.


Woo! Another one! I love these kind of topics!


I say no to bring back the gate flash. This means you now have to pay attention to when people come into the system, poor gate campers.

Maximus, do you mind if I use your tear jar? I feel like i am going to be part of your team by doing this alot.

My adventure blog: http://lonewolfadventures.wordpress.com/

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#14 - 2013-06-05 16:06:27 UTC
Jade III wrote:
Maximus, do you mind if I use your tear jar? I feel like i am going to be part of your team by doing this alot.


Go right ahead but please use it empty so I can see you putting it to good use lol. No intentional trolling as that's cheating though!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#15 - 2013-06-05 18:36:50 UTC
bump

want gate flash and sound back
THC Trader
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-06-05 18:52:04 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
THC Trader wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Let me take a stab at this

If you want to start a knife fight then let me bring my machete..


Oh and by "stab at this" it's a term we use in English (Not to be confused with English (US)), it wasn't meant in a weapons orientated aggressive manner but as in a "let me take a guess at what this is". Sorry if this was misunderstood. I also use 'u' in colour and z's instead of s's in realise and organisation.

I knew what you meant. My reply was basically to the same effect.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2013-06-05 19:18:25 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Poor gate campers.

I have an Iteron full of tissues. Which system should I deliver too?


Best post in this whole thread. Gatecampers have always been doing easymode PvP, having a great big flash and a great big noise spoonfeeding them intel. Now they have to be alert and aware, just like their prey. Sorry gatecampers, no tears for you. Well, except for your own, that is.


Swiftstrike1 wrote:
From an immersion point of view, why the hell should the gate flash when someone jumps in?

It flashes when someone jumps out because it is flinging them across space. When someone jumps in, the destination stargate isn't actually doing anything at all. The only reason you land on grid with a stargate when you jump into a new system is to increase player interaction. There's no reason at all in the lore why a stargate should have to drop you anywhere near to the return stargate so stop whining and pay attention. You should be thanking CCP for making the game more challenging and thus further separating the noobs from the competents.


If we're talking about immersion, I would like to point out that the entry gate does in fact serve a purpose. It helps if you consider that when boiled down to their most basic descriptions, stargates are both Jump Portal Generators and Cynosural Field Generators. Which one they act as for your particular jump is dependent on which way you're going. It's not precisely like that, but it's a functionally suitable explanation. There's always Article: Interstellar Traveling and Chronicle: Old Man Star for precise details.
Wrath22
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-06-06 03:55:56 UTC
we don't necessarily need a gate flash but an indicator that someone is coming through the gate. In real life would would as well something like this to let others know hey gtfo of the way something is coming through :p and poor gate camps die just as easily to a gang coming through from another gate so paying attn at all times is a must in any proper gate camp. oh almost forgot why i want it back so that i don't cross jump a juicy target if i see a flash i hold jump and wait to see what it is and engage.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-06 04:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mocam
Sentamon wrote:
Poor gate campers.

I have an Iteron full of tissues. Which system should I deliver too?


I virtually never give a thumbs up to smart-ass replies but that one had me literally laughing Thanks

"here, gank my tissue box hauler" Smile

It was changed, they'll adapt - nothing new about gate campers adapting in this game (and I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to turn it to their advantage no less)
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-06-06 04:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Wrath22 wrote:
we don't necessarily need a gate flash but an indicator that someone is coming through the gate. In real life would would as well something like this to let others know hey gtfo of the way something is coming through


In real life when you go through a entry it doesn't teleport to a random spot km's awya from the exit point on the other side. Yes the other ship on the side of the panama canal needs to know you are coming through. Gets real interesting in the locks otherwise.

No real need to say hey I am coming in when ships have a better chance to land km's scattered from anything else.

And its not like gate campers when blues jumped under the old setup said oh my boy is landing, let me move from a good spot just in case he lands on top of me.




gate camping needs you to pay attention now, oh well. You got a scanning redo with several new mods to find people faster and easier. CCP took and gave, at least they gave.
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