Missions & Complexes

I gotta say, I did a high sec data site today in a .8 system. Made 15 mill in loot.

How about making it too easy? Instead of :

1) Casing out several systems for tempting sites, the whole launch probes and see what this previously bland system might have hiding in pockets of space.

2) Changing ships to something that can handle the rats & enemies (FW lowsec is rife with them) or investing in something that could fit a cloak, probe launcher, salvager, analyzer, codebreaker & still fight.

3) Roll the dice and get anything from an empty can to a 200 mil bounty (But get everything that was there)

Challenging, fun, easy to get into with minimal SP if you keep your tactics on point.

Yes, the 'did it work?' loading bar was very... bleh..... Interactive random chance is better than click and wait random chance? I think so, others may disagree. Trading some of the randomness for skill based decision making would win many people over methinks.

Now we have :

1) Skills? We have modules for that.

2) Here you go, let CCP point out everything for you to make it extra easy, we don't want to make you actually find the general locations of those sites by yourself, it's too hard.

3) Get in that T1 ship and free roam wherever you wish. No rats, so just fit a cloak and don't worry about having to actually engage in any danger for that ISK.

4) Play a mini-game (ok with that mostly, figure they will improve on it) and hope that that loot you had your heart set on when CCP was kind enough to let you know what goodies are in there actually winds up in your cargo hold.

Or wait, you can

5) Have a friend sit in a site, with no rats to clear, while you play the mini-game. From his/her/its perspective, isn't that a bit the same as sitting space waiting for a loading bar to magically 'unlock' the can?

I liked the first one. I like probing and I enjoyed the challenge of probing out the good spots to run, having my logistics in place to allow running the site in a PvP capable ship (who doesn't like the pewpew?) and getting all the goods back to my main hanger after a week or so of exploring a new branch of that fabulous starmap.

Exploration. I liked it a lot, I liked the challenges and rewards of it a lot. Now not so much, which makes me sad

I know, poor me. But please don't assume everyone complaining about the new mechanics wants an easy button. It seems like CCP is already halfway there and getting closer.

Correction, I made 152 million last night. This is not including the BPC's.

I like the part where you think its in CCPs best interest to make it difficult for players to have multiple accounts.

Dude you SO win at eve. only 50,000 clicks for a PLEX? Sign me up pronto.

/derp

Nobody is complaing they are making things hard, they complain because CCP just make things take longer to complete, after all this is a game and you want to have fun right?

Most people use PVE to pay for PVP and like myself I hate grinding isk to have fun, everytime people find a nice quick way to make cash CCP just "balance" it so it takes 25% longder to do.

I don't use a "infinity isk carrier/tengu and lvl 5 all my skills" to feel safe I do it to save time, so when CCP tell me that that 700million days I just spent shaving 0.4 seconds off my wing mirrors deploying now take 30 seconds longer you can see why people get annoyed.

I support this fully. The new update was a complete disaster and exploration is now a mere shadow of what it was, and im absolutely dumbfounded that CCP though that can spewing mechanics were a good idea.

Regardless of whether the old mechanic was 'broken' or not - any new mechanic will get compared to its predecessor.

Old mechanic:

-Considerably more effort finding sites via probing.
-Having to fight off rats/deal with locked cans etc.
-Having to wait a while for it to complete (actually gave purpose to the choice of T3 vs frigate since the new frigate buff to cycle time of analyzers + codebreakers)

New mechanic:

-Ridonkulously click-intensive
-More fun/interesting for one character but any other character is just sitting there waiting, not even rats to shoot!
-Next to 0 restrictions to entry - probing is basically done for you ala the new patch, no rats to kill so no combat skills/mods needed, also means a t1 frigate is going to be the obvious choice since you can move between cans/sites faster and less likely to be decloaked on a gate or something, minigame is largely luck based (beyond a couple of very simple rules)
-Significantly reduced value overall (Adding together chance to complete, number of cans ejected, whether you picked the right cans)


I don't know about you but that just doesn't look like a fun direction. Anyone saying the new mechanic is fun, tell me how many times you've done it and whether it'll be fun once you grind hours upon hours a month to get a plex or two (hint: it won't be).

At least watching rats go poof every now and then is still mildly exciting. The luck-based nature of the hacking minigame is just frustrating as all hell and attempting to deal with lots of fast moving things on screen is just a nightmare. I had several incidents yesterday where I'd hover over one can, move to another and be unable to select it because it was too 'close' to the first can.

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The new dev blog that came out the other day:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/sounds-in-space-in-odyssey

Key part being:

"The most important and coolest audio feature in this case is the ability to hover over the yet-to-be-clicked nodes and, as part of the soundscape, hear very subtle changes to the sounds of the computer you are trying to hack."


I spent hours yesterday trying to distinguish between these sounds. I am a musician and a pianist with a very keen sense of hearing and I was really struggling to discern whether a node would be empty/bad. It seems there is indeed only subtle changes and even then not all the time, it seems to draw upon a large bank of potential changes which themselves have only probabilities of being one node type or the other.

If this is not the case, then the subtle differences are quite literally too subtle to hear without analyzing the sounds being played digitally.

Initially I thought GREAT! That sounds like a fun/interesting/very challenging way of completing the hacking minigame more successfully! However, after having gone through it, even though there wasn't *that* much of a difference I realised - it's just as effective to brute-force clickspam your way through and get through more sites ending up with the same amount of isk.

Not take more time, not need more skills or modules or ships - just more clickspamming - to be equally, if not more effective. Especially given how easy it is to get at least some loot from these sites, the prices will soon begin to plummet since there are no barriers to entry at all. Meaning there's little point in trying to 'decipher' these new incredibly subtle sound changes since it just won't be worth the effort.

Deaf players and those who play with sound off will really appreciate this. Especially since there is no visual equivalent for the information.

You sir, are a ******. The 'faster speed' and 'better loot' you are referring to is, in fact, a decrease in overall ISK/HOUR (at least as far as I can tell).

I dunno about you but I haven't found any cans with 14x capacitor consoles in them post-patch.