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You've Effectively Killed Exploration.

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Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-06-05 21:21:02 UTC
Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly.
Seniae 0n3
#62 - 2013-06-05 21:24:52 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly.


This ... just think most people never thought of using a cargo scanner for this
Cyrek Ohaya
Blazing Sun Group
#63 - 2013-06-05 21:27:33 UTC
Hacking rigs are perhaps useful now?
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-06-05 21:29:57 UTC
Seniae 0n3 wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly.


This ... just think most people never thought of using a cargo scanner for this


That's because it didn't use to work, it's a new change.
Seniae 0n3
#65 - 2013-06-05 21:31:10 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Seniae 0n3 wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly.


This ... just think most people never thought of using a cargo scanner for this


That's because it didn't use to work, it's a new change.



Dang ... now they know the secret
Kalpel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-06-05 21:54:36 UTC
Roy Kring wrote:
It made me so angry I was smashing my computer table and swearing heavily.



I had the same reaction when I found out SC aren't allowed in high sec DED sites Evil
I don't give a flying F****K if their OP, it's my favorite ship and now it's a paper weight in the hanger!


* gives the bird to the screen * CCP!

You failed to target nothing! ≡v≡ online ... (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

THC Trader
Doomheim
#67 - 2013-06-05 22:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: THC Trader
OK, after doing this for a bit, it can be done with hacking/archaeology 4 and a covops frigate. You want to open the outer nodes first, as revealing a defensive node on one of the outer nodes will block less nodes than it would if it were the center node. You want to save your utilities. Use the one that does damage per turn for the suppressors. The one that halves the coherence for the anti-virus (i think, the one that does tons of damage to you). The other two whenever you need them essentially. Repair you want to pretty much use as soon as you can, if your coherence is low enough that it won't get wasted. The shield can be used for anti-virus as well, although it's somewhat wasted as you only take damage from anti-virus once. There's another one with 20 strength and 60 coherence, that is probably the better one to use the shield on. So far relic sites seem to be the more profitable ones, data sites are fairly low income, but still worth doing for that faction tower bpc. I'm doing them in nullsec of course, so in high/lowsec your mileage may vary. I still disagree with the lootsplosion, as it fails to make me work with someone else. All it does is make me use an alt, and I still miss some of the cans pulling them as fast as the game will let me.

EDIT: The trick here, is to open the nodes that will block the fewest nodes if they are defensive first. This increases your odds greatly.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#68 - 2013-06-05 23:18:23 UTC
THC Trader wrote:
OK, after doing this for a bit, it can be done with hacking/archaeology 4 and a covops frigate. You want to open the outer nodes first, as revealing a defensive node on one of the outer nodes will block less nodes than it would if it were the center node. You want to save your utilities. Use the one that does damage per turn for the suppressors. The one that halves the coherence for the anti-virus (i think, the one that does tons of damage to you). The other two whenever you need them essentially. Repair you want to pretty much use as soon as you can, if your coherence is low enough that it won't get wasted. The shield can be used for anti-virus as well, although it's somewhat wasted as you only take damage from anti-virus once. There's another one with 20 strength and 60 coherence, that is probably the better one to use the shield on. So far relic sites seem to be the more profitable ones, data sites are fairly low income, but still worth doing for that faction tower bpc. I'm doing them in nullsec of course, so in high/lowsec your mileage may vary. I still disagree with the lootsplosion, as it fails to make me work with someone else. All it does is make me use an alt, and I still miss some of the cans pulling them as fast as the game will let me.

EDIT: The trick here, is to open the nodes that will block the fewest nodes if they are defensive first. This increases your odds greatly.


Sounds terribly tedious and boring. I'll find a new profession.
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#69 - 2013-06-05 23:34:00 UTC
YOU GUYS ARE EITHER STUPID OR USELESS...BUY BACK MY T3 CRUISER i made this so i could compete for 6 sites , lookout , vigil and watch and 3 of 10s and 4 of 10s and radars..... you took away my way of makeing isk..now i need 3 ships...but wait i can go to low sec and get killed in 10 seconds with 2 bill ship and 1 bill in implaints.. wow what fun to go get killed in 10 seconds ...thats why i pay 20+ usd a month so i can slave away for a few months to loose it to some jackasses in low sec in seconds. YOU OWE ME 10 BILLION ISK AND A TONE OF SKILL POINTS SO I CAN TRAIN MY TOON IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION... HAD I KNOWN I WOULD NOT HAVE GONE DOWN A PATH THAT I DID ....OH BUT WAIT I CROSS TRAINED TO CALDARIE but you nerfed heavy missles .....then you nerfed drakes....then now you shitcaned T3s... i have enuf of you stupid fks....fix it or loose me...what are you thinking
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#70 - 2013-06-05 23:37:19 UTC
why did i spend all this time training t3s and scanning for you to f me.....could you please tell me what your going to screw up next so i can train a different way i can scann radars and mags with my 3 billion isk ship ...ashats
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#71 - 2013-06-05 23:40:16 UTC
never mind im running level 3 distrabution missions with my 3 billion isk tengue for 50 k per mission
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-06-05 23:42:44 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:

Sounds terribly tedious and boring. I'll find a new profession.


Wonder if a person will be PvPed while their head is buried into this mini-game?

Sounds perfect in a PvE environment, but to think getting lost into the mini-game to notice someone just armed their weapons on you...as they want the same goods.

Pilots are distracted on jets with burnt out light bulbs and kill everyone in the process. A mini-game in deep space that's aim IS to distract?

:shakes head:

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Seniae 0n3
#73 - 2013-06-05 23:42:57 UTC
WOW man ... I understand frustration but you're going a bit overboard with it. Why don't you focus on 5/10 and up, explore in WH. T3 in up to 4/10 is really OP
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#74 - 2013-06-05 23:43:18 UTC
can i get a refund for the year i paid in advance for 2 toons and then can you stick it
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#75 - 2013-06-05 23:45:54 UTC
to ansewer your question im in a 3 man corp ....no help to do 5 of 10s or wormholes ...i dont want to be forsed to play with other peeps ...i like playing solo often ...answer ...why forse me too play in a group
Seniae 0n3
#76 - 2013-06-05 23:47:46 UTC
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:
to ansewer your question im in a 3 man corp ....no help to do 5 of 10s or wormholes ...i dont want to be forsed to play with other peeps ...i like playing solo often ...answer ...why forse me too play in a group


You're not forced to play with other peeps at all ... just forced to use another shiny in the 3/10's and 4's
Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
#77 - 2013-06-05 23:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nycodemis
Regarding killing exploration; thus far I've delved into more data and relic sites that any time prior. The activity is more engaging and (so far) more rewarding. Now there's actually an incentive to perfect the related skills and fit a dedicated exploration ship. There's also more incentive to work with others, though the sites are more profitable for a solo explorer than they were previously. This change to the basics of exploration also opens the door to more possible types of exploration in future expansions not to mention using the new Hacking/Analyzing system on other things. As a w-space dweller Abandoned POS's come to mind first.

I understand your frustration. I'd be pissed too if I was used to being handed the best then had to suddenly work for it.
Seniae 0n3
#78 - 2013-06-05 23:49:59 UTC
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:
never mind im running level 3 distrabution missions with my 3 billion isk tengue for 50 k per mission


I run solo lvl 4 security missions in a proteus ...
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#79 - 2013-06-05 23:51:25 UTC
WRONG i wasnt handed anything i trained for it after working my way up now "they" just my efforts useless... thats wrong
Snapper Pumpkinpuss
Sarano Planetary Goods Distribution
DammFam
#80 - 2013-06-05 23:52:06 UTC
i dont want to run security missions