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Issue: Can someone please explain this for me

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Salm0neus
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#1 - 2013-06-05 23:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
The alliance that I am part of recently became part of a war. I went and shot one of their Frieght containers and I became concorded and my ship was distroyed.

Screen shot of 3 of the 4 containers left and my wreckage.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-06-05 23:09:19 UTC
No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules. Shocked

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Salm0neus
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-06-05 23:10:18 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules. Shocked


It's an object that is owned by the corporation that was war targeted.... that is a bug
Heinel Coventina
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-06-05 23:10:26 UTC
Salm0neus wrote:
The alliance that I am part of recently became part of a war. I went and shot one of their Frieght containers and I became concorded and my ship was distroyed.

Screen shot of 3 of the 4 containers left and my wreckage.

http://i.imgur.com/qiOegJI.jpg

Kill: Salm0neus (Probe)

This also resulted in me loosing my pod

Kill: Salm0neus (Capsule)

I would not have lost my pod if I was not concorded. My pod was 50mil in implants.


Greetings, GM Bunyip here.

It appears that the container was not a legal target as its owner had left his corporation earlier that day. Unfortunately, we can also see in our logs that you repeatedly attempted this action and failed due to safeties. You then then disabled the safeties, which essentially demonstrates an understanding and explicit foreknowledge that the action you were just about to perform would result in a CONCORD action.

Given all this, I'm afraid we cannot provide reimbursement of the capsule that was lost some minutes later, as we cannot see any indication of a bug or other issue here that caused the loss.

If you have any other questions or problems, please let me know and I'll be happy to assist you further.

Best regards,
GM Bunyip
EVE Online Customer Support Team | EVE Online | DUST 514


When the containers were targeted they STILL came up with war target icons. If a player "Launches for the corp" then anchors them, then technically they are the corps, not the person to anchored them. If they were that person's then it should say something like "Launch for prsonal use" which the game does not have. This is a glitch which i lost my ship, and when getting screen shots i lost my pod. Please re-imburse for this


We can only re-iterate what GM Bunyip has already stated; you disabled the safeties on your game client after having failed to attack that container repeatedly due to the safety. If the safety prevents you from attacking a ship or an object then that target is not a legit target for you to attack and disabling your safety is done at your own risk and responsibility. Your ship or capsule are not considered eligible for reimbursement as a result.

If you have any further questions or concerns then please do not hesitate to ask, we will do what we can to assist you.

Best regards,
Senior GM Spiral
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514


dispite the fact that i disengaged the safeties, it still showed up as a war target. It was owned by the corp we were at war with.

If i launch something for the corp, the corp owns it, not me.... if this is different then this should be told to us, but it isn't


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Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#5 - 2013-06-05 23:15:20 UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2013-06-05 23:16:06 UTC
Salm0neus wrote:
dispite the fact that i disengaged the safeties, it still showed up as a war target. It was owned by the corp we were at war with.

If i launch something for the corp, the corp owns it, not me....

“If”.

Sounds more like you had an overview bug, and he's quite right: the fact that you had to disable your safeties should have tipped you off.
Asptar Monastair
Frontier Adventurers
#7 - 2013-06-05 23:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Asptar Monastair
Salm0neus wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules. Shocked


It's an object that is owned by the corporation that was war targeted.... that is a bug


That depends on how it was launched. If it was launched personally it belongs to the pilot. If it was launched for the corp then it belongs to the corp.

Edit: Just realised we are talking about freight cans not GSC's, but the same logic still applies. The cans are launched personally, which means they belong to the pilot, not the corp. Just because corp members can access it doesn't mean it belongs to them.
GreenSeed
#8 - 2013-06-05 23:19:22 UTC
Salm0neus wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
No need, from the quote you provided of the GM's response (thought there was some rule about that -- meh), looks like you've been properly trounced for not paying attention to warnings. Thems the rules. Shocked


It's an object that is owned by the corporation that was war targeted.... that is a bug

no, the object cant be launched for corp like a pos can.

if it were a secure one then it can be launched for corp, and anchored.

ice miners use those freight containers as a buffer, and they rely on them fitting only on freighters to prevent theft. and avoid griefing because you cant jetcan more than once in a few minutes.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2013-06-05 23:24:37 UTC
Huh. I wonder.

If the pilot left the corp earlier that day (non-downtime, or real-time), do objects-in-space only update on a downtime basis? Which is to say, the object showed on overview as a war target, but when the server checked legality, the safeties engaged? As to say, after the next downtime, did the object in space show as the pilot's again?

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-05 23:25:37 UTC
This thread will be locked and edited because no matter how hilarious this is, reposting GM conversations is in violation of the EULA.

Which is a shame because this is actually hilarious. Get your screenshots while you can people.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#11 - 2013-06-05 23:26:08 UTC
When you find a bug the proper course of action is to report it, not to get yourself CONCORDED. It does appear to be a bug in that a can owned by a player does not change its corp tag when that player changes corp. That's the bug: The can should have had a different tag. But that does not justifying you turning off your safety to shoot it. If you got to go safety red to shoot something you will die.

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Seniae 0n3
#12 - 2013-06-05 23:26:09 UTC
There's no need to turn off safety if the fight is against valid targets like wartargets, duel or reengageing an attack. The only reason to turn off safety is if you commit a crime like stealing or shooting something you aren't supposed to shoot or anything that would call in concord or have the gate guns open fire on you.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#13 - 2013-06-05 23:52:19 UTC
In case anyone was still wondering why the safety exists, here is your answer.

Also,

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-06-05 23:54:05 UTC
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Liam Mirren
#15 - 2013-06-06 00:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
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It appears that the container was not a legal target as its owner had left his corporation earlier that day


Yet the cans still show the corp ticker so while the "can't fire with the safeties on, lets take them off" was rather... dumb, the confusion understandable. This is an actual issue/bug and it would have been nice for said GM to show some leniency as it's an obvious oversight by CCP (this never happens btw).

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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#16 - 2013-06-06 00:15:41 UTC
I like the part where you specifically changed your safety settings because, obviously, the warnings were wrong.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#17 - 2013-06-06 00:40:57 UTC
If you don't want your thread locked, I suggest you remove the petitions, or at least the GMs names.

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-06-06 01:03:00 UTC
Seeing as I spend a lot of time looking at Eve through the TMC lens. This feels like some sort of convoluted PvE ALOD.

I should talk to the guys about this!

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-06 01:34:39 UTC
And to think CCP put the safety setting in the game to protect people like you from killing themselves Roll

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#20 - 2013-06-06 02:05:05 UTC
Deploy can when in wardecced corp, drop corp, can retains corp ticker but is no longer valid war target. IMHO this is unexpected behaviour. Anything that shows up as belonging to the corp you are at war with should be a valid target.

Disabling safeties then complaining that you were CONCORDED? I am afraid that counts as a "derp".

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