EVE General Discussion

For you the game may be about space. For others it's about many other things including markets, science, industry, exploration, planetary interaction, etc.

Your particular brand of narrow-mindedness is fairly embarrassing... mostly for yourself, and of course not even factual. Your opinion is yours, but the argument that WiS is not in the future of EVE or envisioned in it, is flatly incorrect. CCP has taken every opportunity - in the wrost with Incarna, in the envisioned with "A Future Vision", and in the best with the 2008 E3 demo - to communicate that the next logical progression of EVE is to journey into the interiors of stations, planets, and ships.

This is not and cannot be disputed; and where your story begins it, it began the same with all of us. For me: The year was 2003, and I was engrossed in a sci-fi game called Freelancer; yet after several months of intense FPS space combat I knew I needed more... I loved the pew-pew, but I needed to feel like it was a part of something larger, of an entire sci-fi universe. And that's when I discovered EVE, with promises of the sandbox, where players interactions were real-time in a single universe, where orders were fulfilled by real people and not NPCs, where stations and other assets could be owned by players, and where (though none of us knew it at the time) planets, systems, and (hopefully soon) establishments could be managed as well.

Where EVE differed from Freelancer and other space shooters was not in FiS - they all started out the same back then. Instead, it sold itself on a promise beyond FiS. The promise that it was going to be the most expansive and complete sci-fi universe. It hasn't happened without hiccups, but even since then the game has evolved to be much more than just FiS.

There are a great many players who play EVE because of this "future vision", because of its potential and scope and the sandbox element, not just because of the right-here-and-now pew-pew. If EVE had never expanded beyond FiS and to think that it never will beyond WiS is not only false but renders the entire endeavor, this entire sandbox, a wasted pursuit. And though CCP may have screwed up a lot of things on the way, if not for this pursuit they have nothing. Terminating the future vision of EVE is quite literally the last thing they will do.

But there you have your solution, you can indulge your WiS fantasies there.

You might even get a hug there and perhaps more.

Don't bother thanking me, it was your idea.

(Do contract me your stuff though!)



I'll give you the opportunity to sell me the concept with WiS. Tell me why I should even care and why it is even remotely relevant for a game that has just done fine and dandy without it since launch? CCP didn't convince me back in 2006 when it was mentioned and well, let us just say that I am glad that CCP got back in touch with reality.

So let's talk about actual gameplay, interaction and PvP.

But I am not. In fact, I couldn't care less.



It seems that you haven't watched neither of Loxyrider's "This is EVE" and "This is EVE II". I haven't seen space barbie in either but there is some actual social player interaction, in REAL LIFE.

Personally all the WiS stuff always left me feeling, 'meh' But I thought OK, it'll bring more players into the game and may add new game play.

But then CCP went mad on it's bastard child, as if it was the only kid in the house. It was at that point I and many others started to despair with it.
It was forced, without merit, poorly implemented and seemed to blinker CCP in regards to many issues the game had.
CCP seems to have changed direction in a massive 180° way and are now focussed upon FiS far more. So many things that have needed improving for so long, are now getting fixed.

I must say though, even though I like this new direction, I do find it a very cynical exercise and still have little trust in them.
But that's a personal feeling and I cannot claim it's widely felt.

all of which are driven by Space content

Incarna is a beta testing program for WoD. When WoD died (GUESS WHAT) they stopped working on WiS (cooincidnce right?).
There are links to where they told the WoD players incarna was "just a prototype" so they didnt worry that was the tech they were gonna get in their game.

The above quote should be printed on banners and hung throughout CCP.

My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once.

The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact.

Hopefully by the time the most severe space issues are solved the remaining incarna devs might have cracked the issue of multiplayer avatars. At least one can hope.

For what it is worth, the 3d character preview will at least let you have two characterds rendered at once in the same client

I wonder how many people actually take the time to read the good posts like this one.

Tl;dr: 'Standing still is going backwards.'

Are people still actively playing Freespace? (a game from 1998). Probably not. Why not, you ask? Because the game, by today's standards, is hopelessly obsolete. It was, at the time, amazing, though! You could actually fly around in space along all three axes! It was a breakthrough, in its own right. But nowadays everything about it feels aged... because it is.

Let me quote some from the infamous leaked Hilmar email.

"First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago."

He was right. As someone who plays 'The Other Sci-Fi' space game series, Mass Effect, I can attest to the Incarna engine being superior, by far, to anything the competition has. So few have been willng to give him credit for it; but it's no less true. With Incarna Hilmar realized an unparalleled masterpiece in virtual reality, clear and simple. The man also said:

"Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change."

That statement stands on its own.

You delude yourselves into thinking CCP has 'seen reason' or something, simply because you won (yes, you won). Rather, what you have done is sabotaged CCP and their solid innovation track for the future. You voted with your feet, and CCP saw no other way than to give in. You probably think that's a good thing. 'Moar power to the people!' and all. But, like Freespace, EVE needs to evolve. And by evolving I don't mean tinkering a bit with skins, or nerfing this, or buffing the other; or adding ships even. That's all just marginal stuff. CCP is diligently working on it, because you made them, essentially; but, in effect, you are halting their carefully planned progress. As the poet said, The greatest enemy of progress is not stagnation, but false progress.

To remain still a viable Sci-Fi space game, a decade from now, EVE needs grow: not just in number of players, but conceptually. Incarna, I believe, was the ticket. It was the opening up of a 3D virtual reality realm with near endless growth-potential. Now that door is closed.

I tell you what will happen. And Hilmar already knows this, of course. You think Bioware (the makers of Mass Effect) are sitting still? Think again. They probably scared themselves sh*tless when they saw the Incarna engine. And they're all working on something similar now, you can bet on it. And the funny part is, they won't even have any catching up to do, as, guess what, CCP themselves just dropped further development on Incarna 'voluntarily.' And, five years from now, they'll have it; or something very close to it. And CCP will have lost the advantage. You did that.

Proud of yourself, little man?