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CCP amuses me when you all thought ice and r64 were the only score this patch they bring you....

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Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#101 - 2013-06-05 20:00:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
I'm pretty certain that you are either a noob who is way over estimating the value of what you have found or you are trolling all these people.

If you really had something good it's already been found out.

My guess is you see something that is going to spike but is going to take so long to do so that you'd have been better of using the isk to day trade as the profit would have been much higher. Everyone else sees it too and is not foolish enough to tie up large amounts of isk for such a period of time.


Trolololololol

I know something you don't.

I'll tell you at this time.

Did I say at that time? I ment at this other time.

Oh I'm not going to announce it. I'll mail it to you.

I've seen much better trolling than this. You need to up your game.


Why don't you take my 10bil wager then?I'm sure we all believe cribba is honest player and will judge correctly who is right in this matter.If you're so sure you got nothing to lose.Plus even if its found Im the only one willing to uncover it for the community.There may be 3-4people ingame that by now should be aware of it but i can bet they will keep their mouths shut for very very long time.

knowledge is power.
Laurence C
Toxin Solutions
#102 - 2013-06-05 20:06:06 UTC
Microprocessors?
Tonton Zeta
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2013-06-05 21:19:04 UTC
Is it battleship BPO? Their base value has been adjusted. If you look at the market history you can clearly see they jumped up especially the former T1 battleship BPO. I'm too late. I just noticed. Sad
iskflakes
#104 - 2013-06-05 22:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: iskflakes
Kirja wrote:
BS BPOs. You are welcome.

EDIT: for the dummies: Domi BPO 625kk -> 1600kk

EDIT nr2: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244005


Maybe I just happened to have those BPOs and had no idea the change was coming?

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Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#105 - 2013-06-05 22:24:31 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Kirja wrote:
BS BPOs. You are welcome.

EDIT: for the dummies: Domi BPO 625kk -> 1600kk

EDIT nr2: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244005


Maybe I just happened to have those BPOs and had no idea the change was coming?


This is very nice but I'm sure there was more than enough hints that bpo prices will go up.What I did find is rather smaller compared to bs price changes.

knowledge is power.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-06-05 22:57:05 UTC
If this is about t2 components being removed from t1 modules, that was announced.
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#107 - 2013-06-05 22:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
Here it is ladies and gents the moment you've all been waiting for! Big smileThe change i was talking for is prototype cloaking device I bpo

The bpo was altered so that now it also requires 3 hermetic membranes and 2supercomputers for 1unit of pcd1.

What does this mean on large scale:

1.Every pcd1 and each of its tech 2 variants is now sitting on the market produced and selling below build cost(jita market already reacted) its only a matter of time before producers find out that they are cutting their own troat and up the prices, there are still many untouched orders around eve.Rough calculations show that the new price is going increase anywhere from 300k+ up to 1m+ depends where the market drives it.But the build cost for 1pcd in the worst case scenario is 1454000-1.5m and judging from how the market prices its stuff new sell price is likely to be around 1.7-2.4m(already reached estimate in jita).

2.Here is where the PI change comes.This gives a new found use for hermetic membranes and supercomputers which were before sold below build cost, this will also increase the prices on all the rest of the pi materials required to build them.Because pcds are sold in large amounts everyday this will create a new demand for hermetic membranes and supercomputers quite diferent from the 3k sold per day we've had before.New demand at current trade volume I suspect should be about 30k/day for HM and about 20k/day for SUPCOMS .There are still many pi materials used to build both around in eve, but how much they will go up again is up to the markets.But since the cost of hermetic membrane comes around to something like 170k both its submaterials are very underpriced atm.I have not researched how it is for supercomputers but my guess its not much different.

3.If you don't have the cash to buy pi materials or cloaks you can make good amount of cash setting up pi planets to build these pi materials on your own and fill the demand which will increase very soon.It will be huge at start because on a big day pcd1 sells around 3-4k units on an average 1.5k-2k, and this is solely pcd1 sales, I'm not even putting the fact that pcd1s are used in invention.Producers will need tons of hermetic membranes and supercomputers both of which only require pi skills and few planets to make.


How did I found?Well i tried to build 1pcd after the patch and I couldn't that made me look at what is missing so I can build it and then I noticed these new materials.So no I'm not insider or in any way related to CCP just a humble industrialist oh and for once in your life learn to say thanks.I could have kept this under raps for god knows how long.But I'm not the usuall grief troll eve player.So enjoy!

knowledge is power.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-06-05 23:04:34 UTC
Grozen wrote:
...Now go search forums and patch notes to try and prove me wrong but you will find that this was never mentioned anywhere:)

This falls under the heading of t2 materials being removed from t1 modules, which was announced. Just because they didn't say exactly what materials they would be replaced with doesn't mean it was unannounced.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#109 - 2013-06-05 23:08:32 UTC
"
MOD u'Prototype Cloaking Device I Blueprint'
+ ram Manufacturing Hermetic Membranes: 3
+ ram Manufacturing Supercomputers: 2
- ram Manufacturing Graviton Pulse Generator: 5
- ram Manufacturing Photon Microprocessor: 5"

Was totally not on any notes anywhere, or on SiSi at all....

Also, build cost is currently 1.19m max. Sell orders are at 1.5m and have been for several weeks

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#110 - 2013-06-05 23:09:32 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Grozen wrote:
...Now go search forums and patch notes to try and prove me wrong but you will find that this was never mentioned anywhere:)

This falls under the heading of t2 materials being removed from t1 modules, which was announced. Just because they didn't say exactly what materials they would be replaced with doesn't mean it was unannounced.


Whatever dude just use it.

knowledge is power.
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#111 - 2013-06-05 23:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
Rhivre wrote:
"
MOD u'Prototype Cloaking Device I Blueprint'
+ ram Manufacturing Hermetic Membranes: 3
+ ram Manufacturing Supercomputers: 2
- ram Manufacturing Graviton Pulse Generator: 5
- ram Manufacturing Photon Microprocessor: 5"

Was totally not on any notes anywhere, or on SiSi at all....

Also, build cost is currently 1.19m max. Sell orders are at 1.5m and have been for several weeks


Im not test server specialist But the build cost give me a break.Run IPH and correct your bs.Build cost is 1088k prior to patch.If you add HM and SUPcoms it can never be 1.19m max.

knowledge is power.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-06-05 23:11:34 UTC
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-06-05 23:12:07 UTC
The forum post specifically mentioned prototype cloaking devices.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238311
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#114 - 2013-06-05 23:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
Jason Xado wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238311&find=unread


Thanks well I guess I saved myself 10b lol too bad nobody took the bet to make look fool.However they still didn't mentioned the fact what materials are going to be used.

knowledge is power.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#115 - 2013-06-05 23:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhivre
IPH as requested

Latest build of IPH. Run for buying from sell orders.

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#116 - 2013-06-05 23:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
Rhivre wrote:
IPH as requested


If you manage to buy hermetic membranes and supcoms at this price on a daily basis let me know.Until then learn to read.HM will never sell at 66k after june.Same goes for supcoms price.You can still buy some outside of jita for the price in your pic but even atm jita is selling supcoms at 80k and I didn't even touched them.

knowledge is power.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#117 - 2013-06-05 23:25:00 UTC
I have trained my reading to level 1

I trained Screenshots to Level 2

Here is Jita Prototypes right now

OMG prototypes

Here is IPH updated for Jita prices

OMG IPH


So.....tell me again how they are selling below build cost?

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#118 - 2013-06-05 23:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
Rhivre wrote:
I have trained my reading to level 1

I trained Screenshots to Level 2

Here is Jita Prototypes right now

OMG prototypes

Here is IPH updated for Jita prices

OMG IPH


So.....tell me again how they are selling below build cost?



They are selling below build cost because the price of HM and SUPCOMS is changing for good.I honestly can not explain it better than that.Do you honestly believe HM is worth 128k? you are taking into account prices which do not correspond to PI Build cost

knowledge is power.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#119 - 2013-06-05 23:29:31 UTC
they are NOT selling below build cost.

Build cost is 1.36,

Sell cost is 1.69m

At no point in the last 10 days have they been below build cost.

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#120 - 2013-06-05 23:30:53 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
they are NOT selling below build cost.

Build cost is 1.36,

Sell cost is 1.69m

At no point in the last 10 days have they been below build cost.

I didn't said the last 10days.I mean after patch.But keep upping those PI prices eventually you will get close to my estimate.

knowledge is power.