EVE General Discussion

Ouch, you wrote a lot of stuff. I can't start quoting specific things at this point so I'll just loosely address what you said, in order, in a numbered list.

1. Money is money, and ships cost money, just like POS modules. Requiring aggressors to own POSes wouldn't change anything since they'd be prepared to lose them, just like they're prepared to lose ships.

2. The existence of victory conditions might be a good addition, but once again, if most people are unwilling to fight spaceships, they will also be unwilling to siege POSes.

3. Large alliances rarely go after much smaller entities. In fact the opposite is true, to the extent that CCP had to turn war fees into a pay-per-target ordeal.

4. Entities who declare wars do have something to lose; their ships, pods, implants, property, et cetera. Just because the defenders are unwilling to cause those losses doesn't mean the attackers aren't putting themselves at risk. So yes, you can ruin the attackers' day just fine, on your own initiative.

5. "If you don't want war decs don't make or join a corp" is a rather accurate sentiment, although it's more along the lines of "if you can't defend your property, don't expose said property to the additional risk inherent in the player corporation system." Player corporations aren't an entitlement; they're a privilege. If you can't hold your own in-game, then stick to the NPC corporations, or get into a well-run player corporation that can hold its own to learn the ropes before you go out to make your own.

6. From my own experience as someone who has conducted over a thousand wars during the past half decade alone, I can tell you that the grand majority of corporations that aren't interested in pvp will not defend themselves if exposed to it.

7. Sure, I'd wardec you. Who's your main? And no, you won't break my ****, lol. I've caused more people to quit this game than the amount of terrorists the US has killed in Afghanistan. Yes, I keep count.

8. This game isn't a direct representation of real life. We fly spaceships, and shoot big guns. When there's a conflict of interest in regard to natural resources or the market, we don't sue opposing parties in the court of CCP. In fact, such avenues aren't even available to us, because they don't exist. But guns exist, and the ability to use them on other players exists too. That's pretty much the point of EVE Online.

9. Yeah, in EVE, you pretty much have the right to wipe out competing businesses. Once again, this is a game based on unrealistic principles. You'll have to deal with this, or find another game.

10. High-sec is merely "safer." It doesn't mean that the safety is absolute.

11. Wars have actually been in the game since the beginning, pretty much. They certainly didn't come out a "few years ago."

12. You can avoid wars pretty easily. Also, if you don't have roles, you can leave a corporation whenever you want. Corp-hopping has been a pretty big issue for the past few years.

13. "So what if the corp just disbands and then is recreated? War dec nullified?" Yes.

OK, so someone declares war on my corp - what move do I have that will FORCE them to retract the war?

[quote=Prototype SV-17]
So you are saying I should not be able to war dec ice miners just because i want an ice belt all to myself? I think that is part of war. You fight over resources no matter where they are.

The only reason to oppose such a thing is if you are a griefer looking for easy kills.

Because the defenders set up their POSes for industry, and the attackers will set them up purely for combat survival. The same relationship will exist between the attackers' POSes and the defenders that already exists between the attackers' ships and the members. If the defenders are unwilling to undock and fight a five-man aggressor corporation today, they sure as hell won't be willing to undock and fight a large tower with eleven hardeners, sixty ECM batteries, and medium artillery.

Also, all POSes pretty much take the same amount of time to set up. It's not really a job that takes over three hours, even with lots of modules.

Why are corps with nothing to lose allowed to circumvent high sec rules and declare wars on other corps without prior provocation? If you want to declare war you should need to have an operational POS minimum unless you were attacked by a member of said corps. In which case, your corp could use the kill right to declare war through CONCORD (personally, I believe this is the only way you should be able to make war decs if not a null sec alliances/corp with sovereignty claims). If someone wants to war against me I should at least have a means of striking at them in a meaningful way. Ship to ship PvP is not striking at them. That's what they want. They would not have declared war if they thought losing ships was detrimental. Wars are a bad joke in this game where you look for red flashing pilots from some corp you'd never even heard of prior to the war dec.

And I use to term "war" lightly as it isn't war. War requires things like borders, assets, etc. You can win a war by permanently eliminating any adversary, their holdings, or ruining them economically. All "war" decs are is circumventing the rules of high sec by paying off crooked cops (CONCORD). Given the current system, why can't I just randomly pay CONCORD a little ISK to unprovokedly destroy any random player(s). Know about independent miner or freighter pilots that frequents an area? Pay CONCORD for kill rights and don't worry about suicide ganking. I don't see how the war dec system is any different other than it being between alliance/corps.

I understand CONCORD allowing null sec alliances to fight in high sec if they are at war and I understand war decs based on acts of aggression, but sanctioning unprovoked killing just because someone pays them to get permission to kill people seems... odd. Isn't CONCORD supposed to police capsuleers and not be accomplices to their crimes?



Feel free to disagree, but keep it civil. People tend to get very rude in this game when opposing views are expressed for some reason.

Let's be honest, most high sec war decs do not result in quality PvP. Nothing of value will be lost if wealthy, high SP players will no longer be able to gate camp or play station games with newbie corps. If you want to encourage PvP, the way to do it is to get people out of high sec with various incentives, not to facilitate high sec PvP through one particular broken mechanic.

OP you sir are an idiot. I routinely fly ships that cost ten times as much as a pos. If you take one of my pos's down, I'll put up ten more. They aren't that large of an expense. Blow up a handful of my faction fit pirate ships or other shinies and you dent my wallet. This probably sounds foreign to you, but I make my isk with MasterCard, and I don't care if I make one single isk, or loot one wreck. I play eve to blow **** up. Your **** my **** everybodies ****. Good luck mining, and doing whatever carebearish things you do, seeya soon.