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"dear" CCCP, YET ANOTHER caldari nerf?

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-06-05 14:53:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Xamiakas wrote:
"The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game" please.. tell me where exactly did you get THAT fact from ?:D *smells yet another fail"


Naga fleets, Rohk fleets, Scorpions are a thing again, Tengu fleets, Chimera's are used in Sentry Carrier fleets, Caracal's are awesome, the newish Caldari destroyer is pretty decent, Hawk's have been a thing lately, Moa's are great fun... I could go on.

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Adunh Slavy
#62 - 2013-06-05 14:55:44 UTC
Arbalest Cruise Launchers are going up in price. Better get in on the nerf while ya can.

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Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc.
#63 - 2013-06-05 14:57:40 UTC
how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez

<-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father.

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#64 - 2013-06-05 14:58:07 UTC
Combatevolved wrote:


I don't get it.. What is the job of the raven? It can't kite with cruiser missiles...


I'm only an 08 pilot, I came along in a time when battleships roamed the galaxy travelling at a cool 3000 km/s. I hear there was a time when torp ravens ruled the galaxy because of explosion AoE. Confirm / Deny?

Since then, it's been pretty well relegated to a t1 pve role or a pos bashing fleet role. For as long as I can remember, missiles and shields have been two very bad combinations when matched against a similar gun/armor setup. I've seen some creative solo setups but they are very limited in scope and being a bs, it's very touchy watching for the many things that can kill you while hunting those that won't.

Now with increasing the damage output and missile velocity on cruise I can sort of see where ccp is trying to close the gap between missiles and guns, delivering more damage faster, but its still a disadvantage. A good FC may be able to use range on certain autocannon/blaster/pulse fleets, and kiting bat having a 150km warp to and reset frigate of some sort. Flying a raven solo just seems bad no matter how you slice it, even when the ASB was new.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2013-06-05 15:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
Xamiakas wrote:
how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez


Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps).

Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank.
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc.
#66 - 2013-06-05 15:11:39 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez


Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps).

Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank.

i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..

<-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-06-05 15:13:20 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez


Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps).

Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank.

i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..


All that time spent in wormholes has left you out of touch with the game. Devblogs are your friend.

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2013-06-05 15:13:21 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez


Except the mega would be better at what you are trying to do (short range brawling) than a raven. You are using the wrong ship. The changes pretty much confirmed the raven as a long range ship by making it not as good at the bad utilisation you were using it for.

It does kinda remove some PvP options but those options were never good to begin with.
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc.
#69 - 2013-06-05 15:16:38 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez


Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps).

Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank.

i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..


All that time spent in wormholes has left you out of touch with the game. Devblogs are your friend.

i totally forgot.. we have diff ships in wh`s vs those in Kspace, right?:D i wish.. wouldn`t need to see the best subcap bashboat in this game being nerfed to suit hisec mission runners' needs.
devblogs don`t really help if they`re there to state the obvious, which in this case is: "we`re still going with the notion to remove the last caldari ships from pvp fleets!"

<-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-06-05 15:20:34 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
i totally forgot.. we have diff ships in wh`s vs those in Kspace, right?:D i wish.. wouldn`t need to see the best subcap bashboat in this game being nerfed to suit hisec mission runners' needs.
devblogs don`t really help if they`re there to state the obvious, which in this case is: "we`re still going with the notion to remove the last caldari ships from pvp fleets!"


Do you put effort in to being delusional or does it just happen?

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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-06-05 15:24:10 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
It's because they love Minmatar and hate Caldari. Although lately i think they fallen victims to Amarr. But anyway, why not to kick Caldari ass if such a nice opportunity as expansion presents itself. WHY CCP.



This statement is so off its sad. Minnie boats have taken a steady nerf in every patch for the last 3 years. The latest one has buffed caldari boats once again and hit Minnie with a nerf (See TE nerf) They rebalanced the tengu because it could do most everything better than a T1 Battleship. Your CNR is now one of the best battleships in the game pretty much the equal to a pirate hull for less than 1/2 the cost. Have you see the cruise changes btw? Now they are almost what torps where pre patch with sniper range.
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-06-05 15:25:54 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Do you put effort in to being delusional or does it just happen?



Another NullSec idiot pack of 20 running away from WH team of 3? Go ahead.

Don't let them fly safe!

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#73 - 2013-06-05 15:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Xamiakas wrote:
and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..



You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?

This thread just gets wierder.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#74 - 2013-06-05 15:31:03 UTC
idiot.

RAVENS ARE KING AGAIN!

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2013-06-05 15:35:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..



You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?

This thread just gets wierder.


To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#76 - 2013-06-05 15:38:22 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..



You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?

This thread just gets wierder.


To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho.


I know what you mean, but from what hes been saying he says he never fits cruisies he only fits torps, and that Raven is a better sniper than Rokh, which means he has to be sniping.... with torps??

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-06-05 15:41:48 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
All of the Raven pilots I know are really happy about the patch. You need to look at both the hull changes and the changes to cruise missiles.

As far as the Drake, yeah, as a Drake pilot I was frustrated about the changes...but I have to admit. The old Drake did seem OP compared to other Ballecruisers. I think they may have gone a little too far in nerfing it, in my opinion at least.

Give CCP some credit, they are doing a HUGE rebalance. They may not get everything right. We already saw they went back and tweaked a few of the same ships again in this patch. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will happen when you change 20 ships at a time.

happy `bout cruise missile changes? excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? and since WHEN hisec PVE should take upper hand to low,null,wh`s again? happy to cruise missile changes?:D that really sounds more like telling me that they`ve buffed caldari cruiser hulls by raping HMLs and supposedly buffing HAMs :D as i`ve said before already.. this isn`t a FAQ for newcomers..
and if "rebalance" you mean the continuation of the few year old tradition by NERFING caldari yet again, you`re actually right :D though, really SHOULD go check the dictionary.
don`t know wtf you on about? if you really don`t, apply for a job @ CCCP = you`re a perfect recruit.


I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet.

I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2013-06-05 15:43:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..



You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?

This thread just gets wierder.


To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho.


I know what you mean, but from what hes been saying he says he never fits cruisies he only fits torps, and that Raven is a better sniper than Rokh, which means he has to be sniping.... with torps??


I think he mean the Rokh is more of a sniper than a brawler but I could be wrong. The optimal bonus is good for sniping but also good to get that little extra range on blaster...
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-06-05 15:45:16 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:


I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet.

I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.


Good attempt to take discussion away from Raven nerf. Lost.

Don't let them fly safe!

Frosty-nee
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#80 - 2013-06-05 15:45:21 UTC
This thread is amazing! It's somewhat disheartening to look at it though and not be able to tell if he's serious or not.

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