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This is unfair. You have cheated me, CCP :(

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2013-06-05 13:57:57 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
I'm really unhappy.. Last night before I went to bed, I had less than 24 hours left to fly the Providence freighter. I woke up this morning and got on EVE and noticed I got the 50,000 skill point compensation from CCP. So obviously, I spent it on the final portion of Amarr industrial 5 and was then going to put the remaining points into the Freighter level 1 skill so I could fly the Providence straight away.

Then, to my UTTER despair.. I see the new skill required. Advanced Spaceship command 5. This has added an additional 24 days to my training time for the Freighter and I can't help but feel like i've been cheated out of my time. My other accounts are the same distance away from the very same ship and I haven't put any time into that ship on those accounts at all. The last month of training has all been wasted.. I find myself unable to fly the ships I previously could and on top of that, the one thing I had been working towards for the last month was taken away from me just hours before getting the skills required.

All that being said, the update is good and I can see alot of work has been put into it. But I just can't get over this feeling of being cheated out of my training time. This isn't fair and i'm really unhappy that i'm one of the unfortunate ones to lose out on skill points. I know there are lots of people out there who worked around this update and basically got literally millions of FREE skill points just because they trained certain skills in certain orders. This is an unfair advantage.

To summarise:

Started training for a freighter 1 month ago.
less than 24 hours to go until all skills completed.
Odyssey is released.
24 days left for freighter all over again.

And note, that's not an additional 24 days on top of the skills i've trained. That's 24 days of different skills altogether, so the previous month of skills were mostly for nothing.

Is this really just meant to be "accepted"?

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Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

The fact that you didnt train both Advanced Spaceship Cammand and Advanced Weapon Upgrades to 5 (combat pilot or not) as the first goddamn things you trained shows a lack of planning on your part, i for one have had both to 5 since my first 6 months of EVE back when i was a miner.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#162 - 2013-06-05 14:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Zaryte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Well, I'm at work now. I will send them in a few hours.

Oh, I appreciate the gesture. Thank you!


Not all of us are both rude AND psychotic.


Some are even neither.




I just concentrate on trying not to be rude.


I don't follow. Are you saying i'm rude for thanking him..?


No, I was saying Im a psychotic.

Why would you assume I was saying that?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2013-06-05 14:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaryte
Jenn aSide wrote:


You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.

If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol.


Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2013-06-05 14:04:35 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


No, I was saying Im a psychotic.

Why would you assume I was saying that?


I'm not sure really, you quoted me thanking him then went on to talk about rudeness, didn't quite understand.
Honest Blob
Doomheim
#165 - 2013-06-05 14:07:07 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.

If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol.


Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.



Its ccp's fault you didnt read any of the devblogs or information posted about skillchanges? I swear iv seen info on the skillchanges advertised in the loginscreen and launcher window before the patch.
Dave Stark
#166 - 2013-06-05 14:09:10 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Yes I could have avoided this.


correct, so you have no right to complain.

please excuse me while i try and figure out which of my 4 racial freighters i'd like to fly today.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#167 - 2013-06-05 14:10:23 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.

If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol.


Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.


You did it to yourself by not gathering the information. It was all available for a long ass time before the changes happened. Pretty much any changes to skill they made could be planned around within the timeframe they gave to people by making the announcement as early as they did.

It is 100% your burden to plan ahead to get the most out of any possible changes. If you do not accept this burden, then you need to accept you will not get the ebst out of changes in EVE.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#168 - 2013-06-05 14:11:30 UTC
Zaryte wrote:


Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know what is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.


What in the actual ........?

Think of it as CCP saving you 1.5bn isk.

The chances of you autopiloting to Jita are now 0, and the chances of you getting blown up in any Burn Jita event (That is a player run event, so nothing for you to worry about) are now 0.

Think of this as a chance to find out why Advanced Spaceship Command V was a must for any freighter pilot anyway.

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2013-06-05 14:13:35 UTC
I am pretty sure that if the OP HAD gotten an EVE mail with a link to the DEV blog concerning the skill tree changes, he would have deleted it without reading and still would have whined on the forums.

You say now, that an EVE mail would have made the difference, however, it seems your obvious lack of attention to this game would have thwarted any attempt by CCP to keep you personally informed.

I was on deployment (U.S. Navy) over a year ago and heard about these changes while conducting combat operations in the Middle East. I immediately changed my skill plan then to ensure I could maximize my benefit. As more information came out, I continued to adapt and change my plan.

If I can do this while getting shot at... it seems you have no basis for an argument.

IMHO.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#170 - 2013-06-05 14:15:02 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


No, I was saying Im a psychotic.

Why would you assume I was saying that?


I'm not sure really, you quoted me thanking him then went on to talk about rudeness, didn't quite understand.



I was only trying to say that some of us would rather be helpful than obstructive.

But this is becoming painful lol.






This is why when I board a ship, I find its easier to shoot the children first than try to learn their names to herd them onto a slave transport.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#171 - 2013-06-05 14:18:26 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
Yes I could have avoided this.


correct, so you have no right to complain.

please excuse me while i try and figure out which of my 4 racial freighters i'd like to fly today.



Ok, this thread is now about a freighter race....

Rules:

We have to swap freighters every 5 jumps.

No ice mining barges allowed Mr Stark, and an Orca is not a freighter

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#172 - 2013-06-05 14:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Zaryte wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.

If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol.


Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.


I'm a harsh man (with a white girl avatar) in a harsh game. LIFE is harsh, you either deal with it like an (in-game immortal space) man or you curl up and cry in a corner while begging for mommy because you met some (in-game immortal space) dudes who have a Penchant for buggery.

But honestly, I and others have pointed out your mistakes and bad thinking, it doesn't matter to anyone else if you don't get it and grow from the experience. Keep thinking CCP is going to compensate you for not being smart enough or proactive enough.

Good luck.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#173 - 2013-06-05 14:21:05 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I was only trying to say that some of us would rather be helpful than obstructive.



And no Im not calling you obstructive either

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kollyn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2013-06-05 14:21:06 UTC
I don't get it it is your fault, i played many games and in none was so much information so early about changes, like here.

I got my BAttlecrusier ad Destroyer skill in Summer 2012 in order for this Patch. so early we got the first informations.


And for your Example with the Stappign few PAges ago, clearyl you can't seriusly compare this.

But i have another Exmaple,

You live in a Hosue with 10 Flats,. The nigboor in teh middel Flat plans to have a big birthfday party on 04 june, Cause he gets 40 (or some other age doesn't matter ;-)).

So He pinned in February a big Poster on the Door of the House were stand "Myt 40s birthday on 04.062013 so pls come over and enjoy instead of complaining of the noise ;-) For more info come ask.

For not having all the Same poster all the time h switched it in march to a Poster on every floor with say "Don't forget my birthday party on 04.06 june."

in Aprill he was on holyday so the poster of march still stay. In May he put another on the Door, which says "Birthdays coming so ask if Question open See you on 04.06"

Every reasonable person would thnk he did more than necesarry to inform you about the party and teh little more noise without sending you a personal letter.


And sending that per Evemail is no solution at all, For once there is to much information for second its to much mail im getting about 5 to 100 Mails per Week so i don't need some from CCP on top of that.
Dave Stark
#175 - 2013-06-05 14:22:16 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
Yes I could have avoided this.


correct, so you have no right to complain.

please excuse me while i try and figure out which of my 4 racial freighters i'd like to fly today.



Ok, this thread is now about a freighter race....

Rules:

We have to swap freighters every 5 jumps.

No ice mining barges allowed Mr Stark, and an Orca is not a freighter


please, charon all the way.

caldari freighter, best freighter.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2013-06-05 14:25:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I was only trying to say that some of us would rather be helpful than obstructive.



And no Im not calling you obstructive either


Thanks for clearing that up Blink
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#177 - 2013-06-05 15:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Panala
The game loader had multiple bulletins over the last few months about the patch. Links to dev blogs, they eve used graphics to make it hard to miss. I for one am glad that CCP doesn't spam the in-game mail every time they have something to say.

At the end of the day, your Industrial skill is not a waste. There are a lot of things that industrial to 5 is good for.

I do not understand what you want from this thread. Are you looking for someone on the forum to pat your back and agree with you? We can't give you skill points. The only thing you can do is file a petition. Complaining will accomplish nothing but making you look foolish.
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#178 - 2013-06-05 15:41:16 UTC
I trained 3 freighter pilots when I heard about the changes 4 months ago. You screw up man it happens.
Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#179 - 2013-06-05 15:49:02 UTC
The Battlecruiser and Destroyer skill changes were announced last December, and the major changes were all added up in February.

It's been shown in the character screen login news area and on the dev blogs. And especially people were talking about it ingame

CCP won't give you SP back because you should have paid a little more attention to whats going on in EVE. Blink
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#180 - 2013-06-05 15:58:01 UTC
Instead of pointing out how oblivious you have been for the last 5 months, I'll instead point out that you'll save far more than 24 days in your future training for other ships due to these changes.

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