Wormholes

The difference before, in most cases that I've seen watching targets prepare for plexing, is that there is a scanner that is set aside for watching for new sigs while the combat ships go off to do their thing. So you'd have one or more scouts lazily watching for new sigs, and everyone else checking dscan periodically.

Now, all of the combat ships that might otherwise not even have probes fitted can see the instant a new sig appears in system. You only need the scout to wake up when a new sig appears.

Edit: I admit to gas harvesting during slow times. But when I do sniff gas, I'm spamming dscan every 2-ish seconds; that's even just being in a Venture. If I'm in a 500-1000 mil (or more) plexing ship, I'm going to be glued to that new scanner for no other reason than because it's SO easy.

ganks through sharing a static naturally arent effected (much) since its idiotic to have your hole open when site running to begin with, but the rolling style of finding targets has been greatly impacted by this change






that might be the bug thats in the system, you have to relogg to clear it off i believe

You're forgetting the style of hunting many of the larger corps with high class statics do, which is to repeatedly collapse their static in the hope of finding someone running sites in the next system. This used to have a big element of surprise advantage. Now, not so much.

There's a very good chance they won't even see it most of the time. They would have to be looking in the right direction when it spawns, which optimistically is 180 degrees but more like a cone of about 90.

I would suspect that anyone relying on the overlay to identify new sigs instead of having probes out as before will be living under a false sense of security.

Maybe that's why we got the cloaky HIC back? To make ganking somewhat viable still?

Also, in a few weeks we will see the stats. If there are a lot less lost capitals in w-space than we will understand just how carebearish it has become.

You don't need probes man, or be looking in the right direction.
Just have your probe scanner window open.

That's all need, just keeping the scanner window open and when a new red flashy rectangle gets on screen, only refresh the filter or opt-in/out the anomalies filter. You don't have to refresh dscan. Also, you don't need probe scanner fitted.

Of course it's not the end of the world, we're talking about a video game but should people have put a little effort into gathering intel?!

Unless you collapse all wh's before running sites or mining (not always practical), you still have to put out a combat probe and monitor it, plus spamming ds constantly. So it really doesn't make it that much easier.

The biggest problem is the nerf to WH mining by moving the grav sites to the new ore anomalies. It makes wh mining a dead profession.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Wormholes are supposed to theoretically be the most dangerous space, right? Even the least difficult wormholes are flagged as -1.0 security, no gates, no local, no stations. Can we agree on that, the fact they are supposed to be the most hostile places to operate in?

The tears of the solo miner revolve around the fact that in most cases it is not feasible for them to secure a system before beginning their operation, the fact that they "cannot be safe in wormholes". I'd say that is empirically part of the design and that groups of people who organise proper operations will invest the time to secure a system beforehand to limit their risk.

This boils down to "It's hard to solo in the most hostile place in EVE", and to be honest I have little sympathy for the anti-social wormholer or opportunistic daytripper if they do not take the appropriate amount of precaution. The risk to a solo miner who does not take these precautions is high, and the reward is the ability to get the high end nullsec quality ores (with their Odyssey recomposition) a single jump from highsec if they choose, and the ability to escape back to relatively risk free space within a single jump whenever they want.



May I remind you that people who solo combat anomalies in low class wormholes have been dealing with the same issue for the last 4 years. They take the same risk as the miners, but they haven't ever really complained about it on a large scale, that's because it has always been that way.

Its natural to be resistant to change when you are set in a certain way of doing things (you could even accuse me of doing the same thing right now), however I consider this change fundamentally game-breaking for PVP focused groups who hunt in the class of wormholes where people do secure their systems before beginning an operation. These groups rely on the element of surprise and the complacancy or laziness of their targets not hitting the scanners often enough. This element of surprise has literally been taken away.

One of the big discussions between wormhole communities at fanfest this year was "What can we do to create more conflict drivers in wormholes?", what can we do to encourage more combat. This does the exact opposite and makes it easier for people to avoid combat, I feel it is completely against the spirit of the environment.