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"dear" CCCP, YET ANOTHER caldari nerf?
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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#21 - 2013-06-05 14:00:34 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
any good reason why pretty ever single expansion for the last 2-3 years were sealed with **** of caldari fleet? :Drake, HMLs/tengus, now i see raven got a kick in the nuts too. wtf? raven was the weakest BS in this game for the last like 2 years as it is .. so you decided to work on that and nerf it even more? WHY...? just.. WHY?


Raven - buffed.

Scorpion - buffed.

Navy Drake - introduced.

Drake - rebalanced, HAM Drakes work well.

Tengu - HML rebalanced the hull itself like all T3 is overpowered.

Caracal - buffed.

Moa - buffed (possibly my favourite blaster boat now).

OP I'm not really seeing things in the same light you are, please explain how you feel Caldari ships in general and the Raven in particular have been nerfed rather than just stating it to be so.

er.. so raping the dps and the ranges on the hml`s is a buff? wait.. WHAT?:D
and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ?

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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#22 - 2013-06-05 14:03:16 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ?


There are other kinds?



sorry my dear little cheap troll.. ignored. i`d like to say "cya" but i know i won`t.

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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#23 - 2013-06-05 14:05:49 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Your Post is too docile, use this thread instead to post Your squeamish little complaints. :)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223608&find=unread

Enter the Arena, join the fray, spill the blood and guts of the other forum gladiators on the floor.

The looser gets nothing but death and the eternal disgrace of his memory, but the winner... +1 internez and maybe, just maybe the attention of our CCP overlords.

soz, ignored as spam. cy.. er.. nvm. bye

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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#24 - 2013-06-05 14:07:13 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Damn them, increasing the effectiveness of the Raven is clearly a huge nerf.

Pretty much all the T1 hulls in the game are in a good place now, really dont know what everybody is getting there panties in a twist about.

Now CCP, hurry up and buff the HACs.

i think you`re a 3rd "really intelligent" person telling me that keeping bonuses the same but lowering the number of slots on the raven was actually a buff.. haven`t seen a single one actually making any sense so far. feel like being the 1st one?:D

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-05 14:09:59 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Your Post is too docile, use this thread instead to post Your squeamish little complaints. :)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223608&find=unread

Enter the Arena, join the fray, spill the blood and guts of the other forum gladiators on the floor.

The looser gets nothing but death and the eternal disgrace of his memory, but the winner... +1 internez and maybe, just maybe the attention of our CCP overlords.

soz, ignored as spam. cy.. er.. nvm. bye


You can't pretend the part about spilling guts and blood on the floor wasn't awesome. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#26 - 2013-06-05 14:11:53 UTC
Just briefly,

Quote:
Cruise missiles have been overhauled to be a viable weapon system in actual combat.
Rate of Fire on all Cruise Missile Launchers has been increased by 5% (as clarification, that means they shoot more often, not less).
All Cruise Missile Launcher powergrid needs have been increased by 200.
Base velocity for all Cruise Missiles has been increased from 3750m/s to 4700m/s.
Base flight time for all Cruise Missiles has been reduced from 20 to 14 seconds.
All Cruise Missile damage has been approximately increased by 25%.
To compensate, all Cruise Missiles explosion radius has been increased by 10% (meaning they will hit smaller targets for less damage).


Good so far for pve ravens

Quote:
All ship passive resistance bonuses have been decreased from 5% to 4% per level to make active tanking more viable in combat. This change affects 44 ships in total (Ibis, Taipan, Merlin, Worm, Harpy, Cambion, Moa, Gila, Eagle, Onyx, Broadsword, Drake, Ferox, Nighthawk, Vulture, Tengu, Loki, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk, Rokh, Scorpion Navy Issue, Rattlesnake, Chimera, Wyvern, Impairor, Punisher, Vengeance, Malice, Malediction, Maller, Sacrilege, Mimir, Vangel, Devoter, Phobos, Prophecy, Absolution, Damnation, Loki, Legion, Proteus, Abaddon, Archon, Aeon)


Excellent, the raven is a strong active tanking boat to begin with.

Quote:
RAVEN
Slot layout: 7H(-1), 7M(+1), 5L; 4 turrets , 6 launchers.
Fittings: 11000 PWG(+1500), 750(+50) CPU.
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(-500) / 5800(-841) / 6400(-241).
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 5500(+187.5) / 1160s / 4.74.
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 113(+19) / .12(-.008) / 99300000 / 16.52s (-1.1s).
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 75.
Signature radius: 420(-50).


Oh ...oh! AND we get an extra mid-slot for tanking? Shocked

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-05 14:14:24 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
i think you`re a 3rd "really intelligent" person telling me that keeping bonuses the same but lowering the number of slots on the raven was actually a buff.. haven`t seen a single one actually making any sense so far. feel like being the 1st one?:D


But... the number of slots wasn't lowered, the Raven got -1 high and +1 mid slot. And it's faster than ever now, and with the additional mid slot for Target painters You can dish out torp level DPS at very long ranges....

Hooray for Cruise missile changes btw.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#28 - 2013-06-05 14:15:03 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Just briefly,

Quote:
Cruise missiles have been overhauled to be a viable weapon system in actual combat.
Rate of Fire on all Cruise Missile Launchers has been increased by 5% (as clarification, that means they shoot more often, not less).
All Cruise Missile Launcher powergrid needs have been increased by 200.
Base velocity for all Cruise Missiles has been increased from 3750m/s to 4700m/s.
Base flight time for all Cruise Missiles has been reduced from 20 to 14 seconds.
All Cruise Missile damage has been approximately increased by 25%.
To compensate, all Cruise Missiles explosion radius has been increased by 10% (meaning they will hit smaller targets for less damage).


Good so far for pve ravens


what sad sob gives a flying F `bout pve ravens? and WHY would they if they can do better in a drake? faster too btw? :D a high slot less - means one neut less.. or one smarty..

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-05 14:15:29 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ?


It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.

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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#30 - 2013-06-05 14:17:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ?


It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.


at pve - yes.
at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit.

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Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-06-05 14:19:08 UTC
Quote:
It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.



Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.

Don't let them fly safe!
Xamiakas
United-Empire
#32 - 2013-06-05 14:21:44 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
Quote:
It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.



Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.

cause he said that himself :DDD he IS a hisec fart still struggling with l4`s. what do you expect?:D

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-06-05 14:21:59 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
Quote:
It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.



Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.


Why would you use a range bonus large missile boat in PvP anyway? To snipe from so damn far the enemy can probe you and warp to 0 before your 1st volley hit them?
Raven Solaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-05 14:23:28 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I too hate it when they nerf something by increasing the damage it can produce.

humor me: tell me how exactly keeping the bonuses as they were, low slot number - as it was.. and taking one high slot away results in higher damage potential?


The Raven had 7 Highs and 6 Missile Hardpoints, now it has 6 Highs and 6 Missile Hardpoints, it lost a utility high for an extra midslot, that's a good trade.

It's also faster, has way more fitting, and cruise missiles are awesome now.

You're an idiot.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#35 - 2013-06-05 14:23:30 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ?


It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.


at pve - yes.
at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit.


Oh, I'm sorry. I could have sworn earlier you were complaining it was a nerf for pve pilots. It's still a good deal for pvp pilots, even though a raven is a bad idea for most pvp in most every situation I've seen. Look at it this way, you lose a neut but you gain a web/scram or painter. More damage is always a good idea for pvp, and missiles are bad for pvp. Sad but true.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-05 14:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Raven Solaris wrote:
The Raven had 7 Highs and 6 Missile Hardpoints, now it has 6 Highs and 6 Missile Hardpoints, it lost a utility high for an extra midslot, that's a good trade.

It's also faster, has way more fitting, and cruise missiles are awesome now.

You're an idiot.


It has 7 High Slots now, it used to have 8 High slots.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-05 14:27:22 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
Alex Sinai wrote:
Quote:
It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.



Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.

cause he said that himself :DDD he IS a hisec fart still struggling with l4`s. what do you expect?:D


I gracefully fly a nice shiny supercap, you may be able to afford one someday. The Raven has been made that way because the master of tiercide decided it should be that way. So far only 2 people have cried about it abloobloo it lost a slot.

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Xamiakas
United-Empire
#38 - 2013-06-05 14:28:04 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ?


It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.


at pve - yes.
at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit.


Oh, I'm sorry. I could have sworn earlier you were complaining it was a nerf for pve pilots. It's still a good deal for pvp pilots, even though a raven is a bad idea for most pvp in most every situation I've seen. Look at it this way, you lose a neut but you gain a web/scram or painter. More damage is always a good idea for pvp, and missiles are bad for pvp. Sad but true.

try again miss, this time, make some sense :D if missiles are so bad for pve, lol ccp wouldn`t have nerfed HMLs.. and now ravens :D YES.. higher dps is good for pvp .. at the same time.. there are other things to pvp .. like neuts, AOE.. potential of which was so nicely decreased on ravens.

<-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father.
Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-06-05 14:28:50 UTC
It's so lovely to see all these "PVPers of HighSec or theory" praising Raven nerf. Lots of fun. Thanks Xam! :-)

Don't let them fly safe!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2013-06-05 14:29:07 UTC
Xamiakas wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Xamiakas wrote:
excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ?


There are other kinds?



sorry my dear little cheap troll.. ignored. i`d like to say "cya" but i know i won`t.



Try again


Please explain HOW YOU PVP IN A RAVEN


Is this concept too hard for you?


Just because you can't answer it, doesn't make me a troll.

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