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This is unfair. You have cheated me, CCP :(

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Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2013-06-05 12:46:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.


Oh, I know about implants. I just didn't understand "PERC", I'm not familiar with all the EVE lingo quite just yet.

Malcanis wrote:
then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost


Have you? Shocked I don't feel any different..
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2013-06-05 12:47:53 UTC
Eli Green wrote:
There are news bulletins to the right of the character select screen? did you just ignore that for the last 1.5 years?


Havent been playing that long, as previously stated.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#143 - 2013-06-05 12:49:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

I hope that you've learned that keeping yourself up to date on upcoming game changes can be very much to your advantage.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#144 - 2013-06-05 12:50:01 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.


Oh, I know about implants. I just didn't understand "PERC", I'm not familiar with all the EVE lingo quite just yet.

Malcanis wrote:
then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost


Have you? Shocked I don't feel any different..


PERC = Perception


I believe he sent you some implants, to reduce your skill queues

Check your contracts

Blood for cream

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2013-06-05 12:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaryte
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I believe he sent you some implants, to reduce your skill queues

Check your contracts


That's what I thought he meant too. I don't have any contracts assigned to me though..
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#146 - 2013-06-05 12:57:58 UTC
This guy is hopeless and will never get it.

EVE is an adult game. CCP isn't into hand holding (unless your name is "Sony"..... Cool ).

EVE has a tradition of "out of game" tools (EFT, Evemon, EVE-Survival, the wiki etc etc) and indirect communication with it's players (communicating through blogs, the CSM etc). It's not like other games where you can just pull up and in-game guide that tells you everything you want to know and it's not a game where the developers are going to send you mail about stuff YOU should know or be looking for yourself.

He reminds me of the guy I once argued with on this forum who D/L'd EVE, paid for an account (didn't do any trial) then came on here complaining because this space ship game is unrealistic and doesn't have Newtonian physics and how dare I suggest a supposed grown man actually READ UP on a game before deciding to spend real life money on it.....

The OP just doesn't understand any of that, he thinks that because he wasn't sent a fedex package containing a flashing light saying "warning, changes coming" that CCP failed. Like the Newtonian Physics guy, he doesn't understand that the real problem is his way of thinking and doing things, not the fact that a game company doesn't broadcast information in a way he finds acceptable.

He says he's not 100% to blame. GOOD EVE players take 100% responsibility for their failures. The OP will never be mistaken for one of those lol
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#147 - 2013-06-05 13:03:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Zaryte wrote:


Malcanis wrote:

However, since I'm your friendly player representative, I'll contract you a PERC and WILL implant to help you on your way training those 6 million SP if you like. Can't say fairer than that.



Erm.. I'm assuming you're offering me something but I don't know what that is.. I'll do a quick internet search. Thank you for the offer, regardless


If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.

Incidentally ALL MMOs communicate to their playerbase via their websites. CCP are unusually diligent in also communicating via their forums. It is not practical to send an email concerning every change, as CCP make many dozens of changes in every expansion cycle, and all of them are important to someone. It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed by the official channels.

I hope that you've learned that keeping yourself up to date on upcoming game changes can be very much to your advantage.



No no no Malcanis, what you say is unreasonable. It would be better if CCP sent emails to 400,000 accounts every day to detail the literally hundreds of changes (that MIGHT affect different people in different ways) that will occur in an expansion!.

CCP should have sent me a personal EVEmail telling me months ago that they were going to move the undocking button from the lower left of my screen to the upper right, now i'll have to sue them for emotional distress of looking down and left by habit and seeing nothing, as well of the physical stress of having to twitch my mouse in THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

CCP is a bad space game company and should feel bad. Ouch my wrist hurts.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-06-05 13:03:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This guy is hopeless and will never get it.

EVE is an adult game.


Incorrect.

Jenn aSide wrote:
EVE has a tradition of "out of game" tools (EFT, Evemon, EVE-Survival, the wiki etc etc) and indirect communication with it's players (communicating through blogs, the CSM etc).


Like I've already said, many times. I'm a new player. What good is tradition or history for a new player? Oh wait you expect me to take a history class on EVE for that, don't you?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#149 - 2013-06-05 13:04:41 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I believe he sent you some implants, to reduce your skill queues

Check your contracts


That's what I thought he meant too. I don't have any contracts assigned to me though..


It may take some time to appear.


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#150 - 2013-06-05 13:07:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.


Oh, I know about implants. I just didn't understand "PERC", I'm not familiar with all the EVE lingo quite just yet.

Malcanis wrote:
then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost


Have you? Shocked I don't feel any different..


PERC = Perception


I believe he sent you some implants, to reduce your skill queues

Check your contracts

Blood for cream



Well, I'm at work now. I will send them in a few hours.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#151 - 2013-06-05 13:09:23 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
This guy is hopeless and will never get it.

EVE is an adult game.


Incorrect.

Jenn aSide wrote:
EVE has a tradition of "out of game" tools (EFT, Evemon, EVE-Survival, the wiki etc etc) and indirect communication with it's players (communicating through blogs, the CSM etc).


Like I've already said, many times. I'm a new player. What good is tradition or history for a new player? Oh wait you expect me to take a history class on EVE for that, don't you?


Yep, if using Google can be called a history class. You yourself said you heard of Odyssey 2 weeks ago, that was 14 days where it could have danwed on you "hey, the game is changing, I better read up".

But you didn't.

Look at the time you've wasted trying to defending your own incompetence and mistake when you could have been learning something. Doesn't it tell you something that so few of your fellow players aren't on your side?
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2013-06-05 13:11:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Well, I'm at work now. I will send them in a few hours.

Oh, I appreciate the gesture. Thank you!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#153 - 2013-06-05 13:12:17 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Well, I'm at work now. I will send them in a few hours.

Oh, I appreciate the gesture. Thank you!


Not all of us are both rude AND psychotic.


Some are even neither.




I just concentrate on trying not to be rude.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2013-06-05 13:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaryte
Jenn aSide wrote:


Yep, if using Google can be called a history class. You yourself said you heard of Odyssey 2 weeks ago, that was 14 days where it could have danwed on you "hey, the game is changing, I better read up".


Players don't need to read about what's changing. Many of us are happy to play the game as it is when the new expansion comes out.

However that being said, I have watched every video CCP has posted on YouTube and nowhere was it even mentioned that ship skill prerequisites would be changed. That's plenty of interest on my part. I watched them because they interested me, not because I felt the need to do it for my own protected.


Jenn aSide wrote:

Look at the time you've wasted trying to defending your own incompetence and mistake when you could have been learning something. Doesn't it tell you something that so few of your fellow players aren't on your side?


My fellow players? Give me a break. If i've learnt anything from my forum experience over the past two days it's that "my fellow pilots" are my enemies and they certainty aren't on my side.

Example:

Sable Moran wrote:

Today I got to strike two thing from my list of 'Things to do in EvE'.

1. Place a corp bounty (100M)
2. Place a personal bounty (100K)

Thank you for the assistance OP.
Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2013-06-05 13:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Singulis Pacifica
Yay! Another Providence pilot. Or at least.. another in about three weeks or so. Straight
At any rate, can't have enough of us flying the sexiest ship in EVE.

On a more serious note however, Zaryte. You'll find (and have found out already) that you will receive very little sympathy on the forums here. In general the EVE community is a lot friendlier than any other mmo-community in my opinion. Yet, there's one golden rule the community expects everyone to be: BE INFORMED. If you want to play in a sandbox, you have to know what goes on in the sandbox. Don't complain your freighter going poof during a Burn Jita. The Goons are nice enough to warn everyone here about it weeks before they will attack, so those not willing to risk their freighters, will simply avoid the area.

You do have a point somewhat in that if you're new, you have to get used to the massive amount of information. But what I don't understand is this:

You are in a corp N-Lightning that has 27 members (as of this moment). Any decent CEO or officer will at some point mention that these changes were going to come in Odyssey. Either through in-game mail to new members, or through the Message of the Day in your corp channel. It's not your CEO's fault for not doing it, you can't put the blame on him, but if you at least would have mentioned your plan in skilling up for the Providence, then some corp-members would have told you about the upcoming change.

The more you get yourself involved, the more people will help you out in providing information you did not know yet. All of this could have been avoided if you were more active within this community in the beginning. Visit the forums, read the dev blogs, attend ISD's seminars, and talk frequently in your corps channel. As a matter of fact, if you would have joined the in-game help channel (so just by your standards that the forums etc. are only optional), then you would have seen the message about it as I know the ISD's had it mentioned in their Message of the Day of the help channel for several months.

All that is left now is to just accept what happened. CCP won't refund you your skillpoints you feel you wasted in Amarr Industrial IV and V. Because with the Amarr Industrial to V, it will give you access to the best of the best industrial ships have to offer: the Deep Space Transport and Blockade Runner. Just learn the Transport Ships skill to I and you'll be able to fly both. Not really wasted at all huh?

As for the Providence, just skill up on the Advanced Spaceship Command to V. Just keep at it. Only three weeks to go. Chop chop.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2013-06-05 13:19:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Well, I'm at work now. I will send them in a few hours.

Oh, I appreciate the gesture. Thank you!


Not all of us are both rude AND psychotic.


Some are even neither.




I just concentrate on trying not to be rude.


I don't follow. Are you saying i'm rude for thanking him..?
Ioe Oria
Doomheim
#157 - 2013-06-05 13:25:24 UTC
I hate to say this but, for the OP and everyone who claims they shouldn't be required to check the forums or outside websites for information, the devblogs are linked in the Launcher as they come out. The information you wanted was directly referenced in-game through the login screen.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#158 - 2013-06-05 13:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNj2BobjJ4

Zaryte wrote:


Players don't need to read about what's changing. Many of us are happy to play the game as it is when the new expansion comes out.

However that being said, I have watched every video CCP has posted on YouTube and nowhere was it even mentioned that ship skill prerequisites would be changed. That's plenty of interest on my part. I watched them because they interested me, not because I felt the need to do it for my own protected.


If you confine yourself to only that which "interests" you and don;'t seek out the things you NEED to know to be succesful at this game/hobby, that's you fault.

It's like talking to my kid. She can recite word for word the lyrics to the newest pop song after hearing it twice but then comes asking me for help with her homework. If she paid near as much attention to what she NEEDS to do as what she WANTS to do those B+s and A-s on here report card would be A+s lol.

You sound the same. You didn't do your homework son, and are now sentenced to 3 weeks of training detention. Do your homework next time. And don't forget to brush.



Quote:

My fellow players? Give me a break. If I've learned anything from my forum experience over the past two days it's that "my fellow pilots" are my enemies and they certainty aren't on my side.


You are your own worst enemy. Look at how hard it is for you to take responsibility even in a video game. People who do that are usually the type that go to great lengths to avoid psychological pain. But psychological pain (and learning how to deal with it) is a part of modern gaming.

If you whine this much because you didn't read up on an expansion before it was published, I do NOT want to see how you will react the 1st time you lose an expensive space ship lol.
Lexmana
#159 - 2013-06-05 13:38:49 UTC
Zaryte wrote:

However that being said, I have watched every video CCP has posted on YouTube and nowhere was it even mentioned that ship skill prerequisites would be changed. That's plenty of interest on my part. I watched them because they interested me, not because I felt the need to do it for my own protected.

That is impressive dedication because they have released quite a few videos and you would have to spend many hours looking through them all. I haven't seen more than a fraction of them but I am pretty sure that skill changes were mentioned in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKx87NwKaIE
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2013-06-05 13:56:25 UTC
Singulis Pacifica wrote:
Yay! Another Providence pilot. Or at least.. another in about three weeks or so. Straight
At any rate, can't have enough of us flying the sexiest ship in EVE.

On a more serious note however, Zaryte. You'll find (and have found out already) that you will receive very little sympathy on the forums here. In general the EVE community is a lot friendlier than any other mmo-community in my opinion. Yet, there's one golden rule the community expects everyone to be: BE INFORMED. If you want to play in a sandbox, you have to know what goes on in the sandbox. Don't complain your freighter going poof during a Burn Jita. The Goons are nice enough to warn everyone here about it weeks before they will attack, so those not willing to risk their freighters, will simply avoid the area.

You do have a point somewhat in that if you're new, you have to get used to the massive amount of information. But what I don't understand is this:

You are in a corp N-Lightning that has 27 members (as of this moment). Any decent CEO or officer will at some point mention that these changes were going to come in Odyssey. Either through in-game mail to new members, or through the Message of the Day in your corp channel. It's not your CEO's fault for not doing it, you can't put the blame on him, but if you at least would have mentioned your plan in skilling up for the Providence, then some corp-members would have told you about the upcoming change.

The more you get yourself involved, the more people will help you out in providing information you did not know yet. All of this could have been avoided if you were more active within this community in the beginning. Visit the forums, read the dev blogs, attend ISD's seminars, and talk frequently in your corps channel. As a matter of fact, if you would have joined the in-game help channel (so just by your standards that the forums etc. are only optional), then you would have seen the message about it as I know the ISD's had it mentioned in their Message of the Day of the help channel for several months.

All that is left now is to just accept what happened. CCP won't refund you your skillpoints you feel you wasted in Amarr Industrial IV and V. Because with the Amarr Industrial to V, it will give you access to the best of the best industrial ships have to offer: the Deep Space Transport and Blockade Runner. Just learn the Transport Ships skill to I and you'll be able to fly both. Not really wasted at all huh?

As for the Providence, just skill up on the Advanced Spaceship Command to V. Just keep at it. Only three weeks to go. Chop chop.


Wow, it's been a while since i last had the pleasure of replying to an intelligent, constructive post. Thank you sir.

I pretty much agree with most of what you've said. I do know this could have all been avoided if I had just put more effort into researching more about the game I play. I just don't think 100% of the blame is on my shoulders, and I don't think I ever will.

As for the corp thing, I actually am the CEO of my corp so i'm glad you don't blame me, haha.