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This is unfair. You have cheated me, CCP :(

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#121 - 2013-06-05 01:31:59 UTC
Just set up a nice RSS feed to the dev blogs themselves.

But then again that's effectively the same as them posting the link to every dev blog published at the launcher and the character select so that's probably useless to you too...

Just because you don't use all of these other mediums of communication doesn't make them wrong. At the very least you should read the NEWS items on the launcher/character select since they can offer some other very important information such as when there's going to be a scheduled extended downtime and patch deployment.

Additionally it would be a VERY good idea to follow them on Twitter, Facbook, or Google+ as those social media sites become the primary form of communication in the event that all the server serivces have to go down such as when they got DDoSed this weekend.

And they post about dev blogs there too of course. But really, the launcher and character select are your worst excuses.

The links were literally on the same screen as you were on, twice, every time you logged in.

Sending mails to EVERYONE would end up rather spammy anyway. Imagine the poor sod that logs in after a year of inactivity and finds 100 dev blog mails waiting for him?

The Drake is a Lie
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#122 - 2013-06-05 01:37:47 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Actually, the bottom line is “review your attitude towards staying updated to game changes.”
You made a mistake. Learn from it.


I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.


You don't even have to do that. The dev blogs are posted in the Community site, on the main EVE website, and advertised, among other places, in the Launcher. CCP really tried hard to get the word out, because they wanted this to be as painless as possible.

The forums are not your only source of information.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2013-06-05 01:39:54 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
To summarise:

Started training for a freighter 1 month ago.
less than 24 hours to go until all skills completed.
Odyssey is released.
24 days left for freighter all over again.


24hrs too late.

Have to be able to fly the ship before the new expansion. It can be cooking in the queue with 1 min remaining before downtime, but it was 1 min you still couldn't fly that hull.

It's why they advised people who were cramming to fly Command ships before the new expansion to not only insert the skill, to make sure to level it to 1.


I know that now, unfortunately I couldn't get it inserted until moments after the update happened. Just very unlucky I guess.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2013-06-05 01:41:01 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

#1 - Forum use not required to play this game.
#2 - Launcher not user friendly, very small and buggy.
#3 - News section in character selection screen, not reliable and buggy.
#4 - In-Game Browser use not required to play this game, not reliable and buggy.
#5 - Newsletter definitely not reliable and mostly non-existent.


Within my 5 yrs of playing this game I've never received a Newsletter from CCP. Twice I've received a regular Email message to partake in a survey. All other notifications from CCP are automatically created, such as a response to petition or administration warning or notice about subscription expire / renewal.


DMC

EDIT:

CCP sent everyone a notice in-game to vote for the CSM. They can surely do the same for important changes to the game which will affect everyone.

I see a lot of new characters all stroking the same BS, obviously they have either too much time on their hands due to having no real life or simply just don't play the game.


Noted.

Quality of life improvements that helps.

In WoW there's much more announcements -- it doesn't matter what site you visit, it will have a run down of pending changes -- so even if the player may not know the intricate patch details, he can be prepared for the changes weeks in advance.

Most players will not visit or partake in forums (they're usually troll filled and worse). Which is why launchers exist with links to the page with the details (and to make sure it doesn't get lost with other junk to not get noticed -- launchers tend to be filled with ads). Again WoW's launcher has the text links in the middle, and ads around it, with the feature article on top. Players still will log into the game via the exe file though. I don't use their launcher (annoying), as again, WoW sites that I keep up 24/7 have all the game details needed. I will state this: Wowhead, wowhead, wowhead. Any game needs a site like that for game news; quests; item looks ups ***and linking***.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#125 - 2013-06-05 01:48:38 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Zaryte wrote:
To summarise:

Started training for a freighter 1 month ago.
less than 24 hours to go until all skills completed.
Odyssey is released.
24 days left for freighter all over again.


24hrs too late.

Have to be able to fly the ship before the new expansion. It can be cooking in the queue with 1 min remaining before downtime, but it was 1 min you still couldn't fly that hull.

It's why they advised people who were cramming to fly Command ships before the new expansion to not only insert the skill, to make sure to level it to 1.


I know that now, unfortunately I couldn't get it inserted until moments after the update happened. Just very unlucky I guess.



I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with luck.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Marzsy vox
Exemplary Orphans
#126 - 2013-06-05 02:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Marzsy vox
HAHAHAHAHAHA. This is the funniest story ever. I hope your ignorance serves you well up to ASC V.
Oh and how did other people have an unfair advantage? Are you really that self centered you throw all the blame on other people when it is rightfully on yourself. People like you make me sick.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#127 - 2013-06-05 06:58:35 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Actually, the bottom line is “review your attitude towards staying updated to game changes.”
You made a mistake. Learn from it.


I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them..


Yes you did. Yes it is. No they aren't and yes they are.

Furthermore the change was amply and repeatedly communicated through devblogs. What the hell else did you expect CCP to do? Send you a kissagram?

You screwed up, son. Suck it up and deal with it like an adult.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2013-06-05 12:05:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


Yes you did. Yes it is. No they aren't and yes they are.

Furthermore the change was amply and repeatedly communicated through devblogs. What the hell else did you expect CCP to do? Send you a kissagram?

You screwed up, son. Suck it up and deal with it like an adult.


No I didn't. And I believe I am dealing with it "like an adult". voicing my concerns on the official EVE website is the correct reaction.

And how many times do I need to repeat myself. I don't read blogs. I don't even know what a blog is or what it's meant to even stand for. Players are NOT expected to go outside of the game to other websites doing research. That's just not how it works.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2013-06-05 12:06:41 UTC
Marzsy vox wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA. This is the funniest story ever. I hope your ignorance serves you well up to ASC V.


...What?

English please. I don't speak virgin.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2013-06-05 12:11:59 UTC
Some people demand a developer or the CEO visiting them at home in order to tell them what changes are coming and what to do. But even then they will tell that they weren't informed properly.

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Signal11th
#131 - 2013-06-05 12:15:02 UTC
Christ I'm about as uninformed as one can be in this game and even I heard about these changes.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#132 - 2013-06-05 12:17:06 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
I don't read blogs. I don't even know what a blog is or what it's meant to even stand for. Players are NOT expected to go outside of the game to other websites doing research. That's just not how it works.


Wilful ignorance is no excuse. There's no law requiring you to open your eyes, just don't expect a lot of sympathy when you walk into walls.

As said earlier, you sure had no problems finding the forums to come and whine.

And as also said earlier, the news items on the GAME LAUNCHER which you ignored also contained the information.

You didn't bother.

You lost out.

Your fault.

Nobody cares except to enjoy the amusing spectacle of you continuing to deny your obvious failure.


However, since I'm your friendly player representative, I'll contract you a PERC and WILL implant to help you on your way training those 6 million SP if you like. Can't say fairer than that.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dan-ielle
Doomheim
#133 - 2013-06-05 12:17:26 UTC
It would have been, literally, impossible for CCP to have communicated in a more clear and concise manner, the implications of the skill changes.
And the amount of time elapsed between when they did so, and the changes landed on live server lays the blame soley on the shoulders of whoever toddled along with their head in the sand.
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#134 - 2013-06-05 12:28:07 UTC
There are news bulletins to the right of the character select screen? did you just ignore that for the last 1.5 years?

wumbo
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2013-06-05 12:29:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


As said earlier, you sure had no problems finding the forums to come and whine.


As I previously said. I wasn't looking for the forums to begin with. Of course I had no problem finding the problems to "Whine" because I actually looked for them so I could voice my displeasure.

Malcanis wrote:
And as also said earlier, the news items on the GAME LAUNCHER which you ignored also contained the information.


The game launcher is only on screen for mere seconds, I login as fast as possible as do many others to get online and asap.

You simply cannot deny that the best place for this sort of information would've been via EVEmail. I'm not saying post everyone a message for every little bit of news. This, however is important enough.

Malcanis wrote:

However, since I'm your friendly player representative, I'll contract you a PERC and WILL implant to help you on your way training those 6 million SP if you like. Can't say fairer than that.



Erm.. I'm assuming you're offering me something but I don't know what that is.. I'll do a quick internet search. Thank you for the offer, regardless
Emu Meo
Doomheim
#136 - 2013-06-05 12:33:50 UTC
This change has been incoming for ages, literally you must have been living under a rock to miss it. But anyway, even if so, you still have a valuable skill there, industrial ships V is a good skill you will find it invaluable trust me. And also you would have needed to train advanced spaceship command anyway if you were serious about flying a freighter. So just put this one down as a mistake and remember to look at the dev blogs from time to time. Luckily you got of this one lightly.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2013-06-05 12:39:10 UTC
Emu Meo wrote:
This change has been incoming for ages, literally you must have been living under a rock to miss it. But anyway, even if so, you still have a valuable skill there, industrial ships V is a good skill you will find it invaluable trust me. And also you would have needed to train advanced spaceship command anyway if you were serious about flying a freighter. So just put this one down as a mistake and remember to look at the dev blogs from time to time. Luckily you got of this one lightly.


Well I have learnt something from all this, let that be said.

I just disagree with alot of these expectations people have.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#138 - 2013-06-05 12:39:23 UTC
Zaryte wrote:


Malcanis wrote:

However, since I'm your friendly player representative, I'll contract you a PERC and WILL implant to help you on your way training those 6 million SP if you like. Can't say fairer than that.



Erm.. I'm assuming you're offering me something but I don't know what that is.. I'll do a quick internet search. Thank you for the offer, regardless


If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.

Incidentally ALL MMOs communicate to their playerbase via their websites. CCP are unusually diligent in also communicating via their forums. It is not practical to send an email concerning every change, as CCP make many dozens of changes in every expansion cycle, and all of them are important to someone. It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed by the official channels.

I hope that you've learned that keeping yourself up to date on upcoming game changes can be very much to your advantage.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#139 - 2013-06-05 12:39:42 UTC
HAHAHA...

This is why we read patch notes people...

...
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#140 - 2013-06-05 12:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sable Moran
Today I got to strike two thing from my list of 'Things to do in EvE'.

1. Place a corp bounty (100M)
2. Place a personal bounty (100K)

Thank you for the assistance OP.

EDIT: Well, that didn't take long:

From: CONCORD
Sent: 2013.06.05 16:38

Zaryte has been killed and a bounty of the sum of 50 628 ISK been claimed.

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