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Hulk Shield resistances
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Demeter Worthington
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-05 09:42:48 UTC
Hello everyone :-)

This is my first post in the forums.
I have a question on the Hulk shield resistances.
It says that I get 7.5% for every MIning Barge level I have.
So normally when I reach mining Barge 5, and can fly a Hulk I should have +37.5% extra from the base resistance. Right?

Right now I have mining Barge 0.
I look at the "show info" of the Hulk, and it says 37.5% em shield resistance.
I was under the impression that when the show info button is pressed, for any ship from the market, you get to see the base stats assuming no skills at all.
If you click on a ship from your hangar you get to see the stats, taking into consideration your current skills.

I think that this was the case for all ships.

Based on that (please correct me if I am wrong), I was expecting a different number for the Hulk shield resistances.

PyFA says that when I will have Mining Barge 5 I will have EM Shield Resistance 37.5%. Based on my previous assumption I would expect 70% em shield resistance. EFT reports 37.5% as well.

1. So I have the assumption that a ship from the market shows the base stats, no skills assumed. Even when certain skill levels are required to fly the ship.
2. And I have CCP showing me in the case of the Hulk, a base resistance of 37.5%.

These two statements can't be both true, not at least for the Hulk.
If they were true then the Hulk would have actual EM shield resistance when you could fly it at 70% without modules. Which is not the case.

If assumption 1 is wrong then I guess a lot of statistics that are shown in the market must be mistakenly appearing as base stats.
If assumption 2 is wrong, maybe there is a mistake done by CCP in showing the correct stats of the Hulk.

Could someone please clarify this for me?

Thank you all in advance
Demeter.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2011-11-05 10:02:20 UTC
A couple of things.

First of all, those kinds of “inherited“ bonuses that depend on a secondary prerequisite at lvl V are often included in the show info stats, because you will only ever have them at that level anyway. It kind of make sense to give those bonuses as base stats and not mess around with what would happen if you had zero in the skill — if you're in a position to not get the full bonus, you can't fly the ship to begin with.

Second of all, 37.5% base resists +37.5% resist bonus does not make for a total resist of 75%, but of ~61% due to how resists are added together: 1 - (1-0.375) × (1-0.375)
Demeter Worthington
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-05 10:12:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
A couple of things.

First of all, those kinds of “inherited“ bonuses that depend on a secondary prerequisite at lvl V are often included in the show info stats, because you will only ever have them at that level anyway. It kind of make sense to give those bonuses as base stats and not mess around with what would happen if you had zero in the skill — if you're in a position to not get the full bonus, you can't fly the ship to begin with.


What I am trying to find out is what is the rule? What do you mean "often included". I would prefer a uniform rule that says basic stats no skills assumed. Or Basic stats are ALWAYS based on minimum skills required to fly the ship. Do you happen to know if this is the case, or if there is a uniform rule to what is shown in the [show info] stats.

Tippia wrote:
Second of all, 37.5% base resists +37.5% resist bonus does not make for a total resist of 75%, but of ~61% due to how resists are added together: 1 - (1-0.375) × (1-0.375)


Ok, I didn't know the formula... I assumed since the Level V Mining Barge produces 37.5% from 0, the rest would be the same.
Do you know for sure though, what is the case? Is it 75%, ~61%, or 37.5%?

Thank you for your answer.!
Demeter
Elezondo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-05 18:12:15 UTC
Demeter Worthington wrote:
Tippia wrote:
A couple of things.

First of all, those kinds of “inherited“ bonuses that depend on a secondary prerequisite at lvl V are often included in the show info stats, because you will only ever have them at that level anyway. It kind of make sense to give those bonuses as base stats and not mess around with what would happen if you had zero in the skill — if you're in a position to not get the full bonus, you can't fly the ship to begin with.


What I am trying to find out is what is the rule? What do you mean "often included". I would prefer a uniform rule that says basic stats no skills assumed. Or Basic stats are ALWAYS based on minimum skills required to fly the ship. Do you happen to know if this is the case, or if there is a uniform rule to what is shown in the [show info] stats.

Tippia wrote:
Second of all, 37.5% base resists +37.5% resist bonus does not make for a total resist of 75%, but of ~61% due to how resists are added together: 1 - (1-0.375) × (1-0.375)


Ok, I didn't know the formula... I assumed since the Level V Mining Barge produces 37.5% from 0, the rest would be the same.
Do you know for sure though, what is the case? Is it 75%, ~61%, or 37.5%?

Thank you for your answer.!
Demeter


Base EM resists for the hulk is 0, but because the Exhumers skill requires Mining Barge V to train the stats show 37.5% EM resists.
Demeter Worthington
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-05 18:27:00 UTC
So is this the rule for every ship?
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#6 - 2011-11-05 22:02:29 UTC
Yeah all hulks are like this. Big smile

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Demeter Worthington
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-06 03:19:34 UTC
FunnyWhat?
Masra lor
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-11-06 04:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Masra lor
Demeter Worthington wrote:


Tippia wrote:
Second of all, 37.5% base resists +37.5% resist bonus does not make for a total resist of 75%, but of ~61% due to how resists are added together: 1 - (1-0.375) × (1-0.375)


Ok, I didn't know the formula... I assumed since the Level V Mining Barge produces 37.5% from 0, the rest would be the same.
Do you know for sure though, what is the case? Is it 75%, ~61%, or 37.5%?

Thank you for your answer.!
Demeter




All resistance bonus are calculated on the difference between what you have and 100%, IE: you have a base of 37.5% EM and you add a T2 invuln, which is a 30% bonus, then its 30% of 100-37.5. So you only see a resistance boost of 18.75%. It gets even more complicated when you add more modules because of the stacking penalty.


Edit: Also forgot to add that anytime you have a prereq as a l5 skill its already added in to the ship bonus when you show info because you *have* to have max bonus from skill to fly the ship.