Ships & Modules

It's only embarrassing for you because you've been caught out in a blatant lie.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I take back all the mean things I said about your Tengu.

And on the other side you have the Legion which is underpowert with nearly every combination of submoduls and mostly terrible slot layouts.

I found only one use for it and that's highsec explorations. Some use it for Incursions.
But it is imposible to reach any decent DPS or RPS not even talking about the insanly bad covert ops submodul.

With your nerv-sugestions you would destroy the Legion!

There is just one real fix and that's a very close look at any submodul and any posible combination of this moduls. Each one has to be balanced seperatly!

The Legion is used for mostly only one think: Incursion.

While I use it for exploration becouse of the medslots it can have (hack, archeology, MWD, drone upgrades, cap) it still underperforms in DPS and Tank compared to the other 3 Tech3 Cruiser and compared to Tech2 Cruisers/Battlecruiser.

Just go and check out the numbers in EFT. Max posible DPS with decent setup, max posible self-rep with decent setup. It even has just an average max EHP compared to other Tech3 cruiser or Commandships (IF you still want a viable setup with weapons and stuff!!).

What was the heavy missile nerf? I hadn't read anything about it prior (thought they were just tweaking cruise missiles), but it just knocked off 150+ dps from my Tengu. It was at least serviceable previously with a Covert Ops fit, but now it's entirely useless.

And now compare this numbers with the other Tech3:
- Tengu has more DPS AND more tank at the same time (we all know how damn overpower the Tengu is)
- Proteus does ALOT more DPS with nearly the same tank
- Loki has about the same DPS and tank (even better tank when shield-tanked) with much better range and can chose the damage types
And they will do it WITH T2 moduls ONLY!!!

30km for PvE with 100NM AB is realy bad. You do have enough tank+gang to kill stuff but you will be SLOOOOOW as hell.

The laser offensive modul is suizidal for solo PvE anyway. Have fun with Web+Scam frigs (or just any frig which get's close). No idear why it hasn't at last 25m3 drone band/bay. This is even more true against Sanshas with all their TDs.

Sure, it is posible to find working fits for the Legion ... but all 3 Tech3 will ALLWAYS do the job much better and are easier to handle!

Anyway, my point is simple: you can NOT do a global nerv of all Tech3 Cruisers
Any modul need to be adjusted seperatly.

Hell no!
The skill investments are fine and equal for all 4. Absolut no need to change them!

And I don't see a reason at all to have stuff which needs insane SP. And no, just being a Vet doesn't justify it. Veterans allready have the advantage of being able to fly many more ships then new players.
There is a armor-fleet? Jump into Legion OR Loki OR Proteus.
There is a shield-fleet? Jump into Loki OR Tengu (OR semi optimal Legion with 6 med slots).
There is a BC fleet? Pick one out of 8.
There is a BS fleet? Take the demanded one.

New players don't have this luxus. They might be able to fly one race (ex Amarr only or Caldari only). Even more when it comes to the more expensive Tech2 and Tech3 ships. And there is no argument, why it should be made even harder for new players to get into them!

My point being there should be a great gap between t1 t2 and t3.... each one should have quit abit more power that the one before and require quite a bit more training... t3s should be more powerful(not always DPS wise) than any t2 cruiser and same goes for t2 vs t1.. or whats the point. nerfing isnt the way to go or pretty soon in even they will nerf soo much every ship is pretty much equally.

I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR LOVELY TITANS AND HOW THEY WERE NERF TO WERE SUPERS NOW RULE 0.0 SPACE AND TITANS ARE NOW NO MORE THAT EXPENSIVE STARGATES FOR FLEETS.

NERFING IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR T3s, THEY NEED TO BE BUFFED AND MADE MORE INTERESTING.

And this is absolut WRONG.
The goal for Tech3 was NEVER to be more powerfull then Tech2!

They should be (and they are) more flexible which is perfectly fine.

Want most gang? Use HAC.
Want most tank (or fleet boost)? Use Command.
Want best cloaky? Use Recon.

Want a ship which can do several tasks at once but not as well as a spezialist? Use Tech3!

Why are there still people out there, who belive they "deserve" somethink better or more powerfull just becouse they invested (wasted) more real time for a game?? It's like a chess player want demant spezial moves just becouse he played chess for 20 years.

PS: and btw there IS a great gap between T1, T2 and T3!

SO your saying me playing since 2004 and having trainned all this time I do not deserve to be able to fly ship that are more skill intensive that newbs can't?



If you read carefully I said..My point being there should be a great gap between t1 t2 and t3.... each one should have quit abit more power that the one before and require quite a bit more training... t3s should be more powerful(not always DPS wise) than any t2 cruiser and same goes for t2 vs t1.. or whats the point. nerfing isnt the way to go or pretty soon in even they will nerf soo much every ship is pretty much equally.