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supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#21 - 2013-06-04 20:28:44 UTC
Just no...

This would be a bull in a china shop way to remove anchored poses that are being used in high-sec to "save" spots. Gotta deal with the moon savers first before something like this can be thought out.

It'd be nice though to have a way to take the faction poses in class 3 and below, which have been forgotten in wormholes. Those poses are a royal pain because it is entirely unprofitable to bring them down for reasons other then strategic placement and tactical superiority.

Maybe if "it was under 10% hull" and then "you could hack it..." with a 95% chance it blows up instead of letting you steal from or use it.

Every pos bash would end with poses going to the winner, could make the PI and POS market crash as they are
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#22 - 2013-06-04 20:41:36 UTC
I support this product and/or service +1 Big smile

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.
Ewersmen
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-06-04 20:54:57 UTC
Good idea ....there are hundreds and hundreds of po's sitting on moons doing nothing ......F-U-C-K the moon savers st
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#24 - 2013-06-04 21:38:34 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Just no...

This would be a bull in a china shop way to remove anchored poses that are being used in high-sec to "save" spots. Gotta deal with the moon savers first before something like this can be thought out.

It'd be nice though to have a way to take the faction poses in class 3 and below, which have been forgotten in wormholes. Those poses are a royal pain because it is entirely unprofitable to bring them down for reasons other then strategic placement and tactical superiority.

Maybe if "it was under 10% hull" and then "you could hack it..." with a 95% chance it blows up instead of letting you steal from or use it.

Every pos bash would end with poses going to the winner, could make the PI and POS market crash as they are


The easiest solution for those "wh placement POS's" is to make the hacking process an aggressive action. In highsec, that means you have to wardec the corp/alliance in order to "hack" the POS (without concord intervention).

Frankly, the biggest issue with "offline" POS's is their ridiculous EHP makes it simply not worth the time to take them down, unless you really, really, really want that spot.

Let people hack it and collect it.... just make it require declaring war for highsec.... Now you have a conflict driver, some risk, and if those "place holders" really want to secure the POS, they simply need to online it during the war!

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#25 - 2013-06-04 21:42:19 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
WolfSchwarzMond wrote:
You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon.

Weapons are ineffective against offline POSes in highsec owned by disbanded corps. You cannot wardec non-existent corp.


Petitions work fine against those.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Decaff Harkonnen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-06 06:49:39 UTC
bump
Nice Nicholas
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-06-06 15:57:03 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Would be great usage point for new hacking mini game. It is an old but great idea.


Even a like from a member of the csm, I'm not sure about it blowing up if I fail 2 hacks, but still no comments from CCP Ugh
Nice Nicholas
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2013-06-06 16:00:29 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Just no...

This would be a bull in a china shop way to remove anchored poses that are being used in high-sec to "save" spots. Gotta deal with the moon savers first before something like this can be thought out.

It'd be nice though to have a way to take the faction poses in class 3 and below, which have been forgotten in wormholes. Those poses are a royal pain because it is entirely unprofitable to bring them down for reasons other then strategic placement and tactical superiority.

Maybe if "it was under 10% hull" and then "you could hack it..." with a 95% chance it blows up instead of letting you steal from or use it.

Every pos bash would end with poses going to the winner, could make the PI and POS market crash as they are


No it would not, if you bash a POS down over a couple of days it would blow up as it had fuel, this only for those abandoned POS and those people trying to sit on moons at no cost. Eve is about risk if you want to sit on a moon in a un-fuel POS you should be able to lose it easily.
Nice Nicholas
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2013-07-31 12:11:38 UTC
HI

I have put back up for while but up it goes again, I still think this could be a great idea
Rosie Sollette
Blue Sun Spectral Technology
#30 - 2013-10-26 19:52:52 UTC
Bump, I think this is a good idea, and personally think it'd help the economy more than harm it. If I could take over the abandoned POSes in my system then they could be put to use for moon mining and the like, and this would happen a lot quicker than bashing it down before being able to use the spot. It'd bring a greater volume of people trying their hand at POS related activities.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#31 - 2013-10-26 20:36:58 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
WolfSchwarzMond wrote:
You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon.

Weapons are ineffective against offline POSes in highsec owned by disbanded corps. You cannot wardec non-existent corp.


Petitions work fine against those.


Ruby Porto's Forum Signature wrote:
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon


So I guess you don't want your offline POS ruined by someone else with a hacking module?

Katrina Oniseki
xSlaughtershy
Asteroid Farm Unlimited
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-10-26 23:19:36 UTC
Oh look, this thread again.

Seriously, this game is full of mind blowing hassles for players. This is one of them. It will never get changed or fixed, just like a lot of other things in the game. And for a bunch of devs who want to "make players blow things up," this seems to me like it would be a "couple of beers and a long night at the office" fix. Sadly, it won't happen.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2013-10-27 03:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Ruby Porto's Forum Signature wrote:
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon


So I guess you don't want your offline POS ruined by someone else with a hacking module?


You're free to shoot at my POS any time you care to wardec me. Which, incidentally, opens you (and the rest of your POS bash fleet) up for a day-runining of your own in a way that a hacking module doesn't.


POSes owned by active corps can be removed by a wardec and some shooting.
POSes owned by disbanded corps can be removed by a petition and some waiting.
Name a type of POS that can't be removed under the status quo.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#34 - 2013-10-27 14:12:55 UTC
It's an old idea indeed. I made threads about this before.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Sarah Stallman
Pen2 Logistics
#35 - 2013-10-27 15:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Stallman
Have it so offlined towers use fuel at a greatly reduced rate instead of none, and make it so they fall out of the sky upon running out. Something like 40 blocks a day (instead of per hour) for large towers. That's something like half a PLEX per year to "rent" the moon.

Maybe use the strontium instead, to make things more interesting.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2013-10-27 16:41:15 UTC
WolfSchwarzMond wrote:
You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon.


That's not taking over, that's destroying.

There should be a mechanic that allows players to to unanchor and steal offlined towers (which are EVERYWHERE in WSpace right now)

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Minor Dirt
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-10-27 19:01:58 UTC
This is a great idea. The fact that an unfueled (effectively unprotected) POS can't be "boarded" and captured is just silly. What, they've never discovered a cutting torch in New Eden?
I would like to see another use of the hacking game and this seems like a very effective method of broadening the application of that skill to other situations from the "niche" it currently occupies.
Matthew Charbonneaux
0FuqsGiven
#38 - 2013-10-27 21:20:59 UTC
+1
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#39 - 2013-10-27 22:28:58 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Would be great usage point for new hacking mini game. It is an old but great idea.


I would definitely like to see hacking implemented in more of the game, as well as salvaging. That being said I would say that the tower would have to be offline for a given amount of time before it could be hacked. It would also send out a mail the the corporation whose tower is being hacked. Causing a hacking "reinforcement timer" of sorts, if the defender wants to keep the tower they would have to counter hack the tower.

That being said, I would also like to make the outright assumption that the OP is too lazy to actually bash a POS themselves and too cheap to buy their own tower. Big smile
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#40 - 2013-10-27 22:39:09 UTC
Removed an off topic post. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

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