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This is unfair. You have cheated me, CCP :(

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#21 - 2013-06-04 17:59:25 UTC
when ccp posted what their changeing in the patch you should of read it. its your own fault for not takeing the time to read the blogs.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-06-04 18:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaryte
Jenn aSide wrote:


If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into..


All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there.

I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-06-04 18:07:39 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
[quote=Jenn aSide]
I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.


Yes. CCP CEO should have phoned you on your mobile and asked if it was OK with you.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-06-04 18:08:12 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[quote=Zaryte]

If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into..


All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there.

I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.


LOL I got this vision of you shouting at your computer "WHY WASN"T I INFORMED!" after the patch.

Sorry, In EVE (unlike many video games which hold your hand) YOU have a certain responsibility to yourself and your enjoyment of the game. You cannot expect people to do it for you. The information was available in easily accessible format in multiple places, but again you admitting that you didn't even know about this expansion till two weeks ago demonstrates that you haven't taken that responsibility.

In EVE as IRL, being irresponsible comes at a steep price. You Price is 24 days....
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-06-04 18:13:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

LOL I got this vision of you shouting at your computer "WHY WASN"T I INFORMED!" after the patch.


lol.
Barkaial Starfinder
Brazilian Vultures
Ferrata Victrix
#26 - 2013-06-04 18:13:53 UTC
Lesson learnt? You'll have future.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2013-06-04 18:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Zaryte wrote:
All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there.
Who said anything about “every EVE forum out there”?

So after you having missed out on crucial information because you didn't pay attention to the official EVE forums, and a page of people telling you that if you had paid attention to the official EVE forums you would have been informed, your conclusion is that your attention doesn't belong on the forums? Let's see if you can spot the error in your reasoning here…
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-06-04 18:16:48 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:

Yes. CCP CEO should have phoned you on your mobile and asked if it was OK with you.


Actually an in-game mail about this would've been sufficient.

The phone call would've been satisfactory too though I guess.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-06-04 18:21:20 UTC
Willful ignorance isn't an excuse for special treatment

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kalunda Sanford
Pemberley Enterprises
#30 - 2013-06-04 18:29:06 UTC
I can't fault CCP for being open about the planned change, but it's a stupid change (no matter how necessary in the master plan). The only way to make it not stupid would have been to reach out to al toons training the relevant skills with alerts. It could have been done via EVEmail, and that it wasn't unfortunately dooms players who don't read blogs and forums.

While EVE breeds pretend-hard players who love to tell newer players tough luck, "it was announced outside of the game" is a big, fat fail. Three extra hours of training would not have been a big deal, but a game itself that doesn't warn the player is insufficiently advanced. Twenty-four days is a hell of penalty to inflict on a five-month-old toon/player who didn't see it coming.

Save your HTFUs. CCP has also made it abundantly clear that it wants to work harder to keep new players interested. Here's an example of how not to do that.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-06-04 19:04:07 UTC
Kalunda Sanford wrote:
Twenty-four days is a hell of penalty to inflict on a five-month-old toon/player who didn't see it coming.

Save your HTFUs. CCP has also made it abundantly clear that it wants to work harder to keep new players interested. Here's an example of how not to do that.


And that's the bottom line. Glad there's someone out there who sees things my way.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2013-06-04 19:09:56 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Kalunda Sanford wrote:
Twenty-four days is a hell of penalty to inflict on a five-month-old toon/player who didn't see it coming.

Save your HTFUs. CCP has also made it abundantly clear that it wants to work harder to keep new players interested. Here's an example of how not to do that.

And that's the bottom line.

Actually, the bottom line is “review your attitude towards staying updated to game changes.”
You made a mistake. Learn from it.
Zaryte
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-06-04 19:27:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Actually, the bottom line is “review your attitude towards staying updated to game changes.”
You made a mistake. Learn from it.


I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.

I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information as I now know CCP don't put the information where it should be. IN game.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-06-04 19:28:39 UTC
As for being informed on a personal basis...I think you'll find that important updates were there for you to read every time you played...in the launcher on the right hand side, that was just as good as sending an in game mail, I know I read them avidly....again and again.

I know it's little help, and that you're hurting atm but you really need to spend some time in the forums and get up to speed with what's happening in the future.

In the meantime just enjoy the game using what skills you have and the time will quickly pass

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-06-04 19:33:36 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault.
Deciding not to go to the primary source of information is pretty much your fault, especially when it's being advertised from in-game. You're not the first one to make this mistake, but it is still a mistake to not seek out that source of information.

Quote:
Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news.
Yes it is. That's the whole point of having forums.

Quote:
I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information
…or you can just skip the third-party source and go for the first-party source: the developers themselves and the information they put out in blogs, forum posts, news items — all conveniently gathered in a single place.
Excrus Ite
Goggles Inc.
#36 - 2013-06-04 19:39:05 UTC
Kalunda Sanford wrote:
... The only way to make it not stupid would have been to reach out to al toons training the relevant skills with alerts. It could have been done via EVEmail, and that it wasn't unfortunately dooms players who don't read blogs and forums.

While EVE breeds pretend-hard players who love to tell newer players tough luck, "it was announced outside of the game" is a big, fat fail...


Except players had a chance to read about the changes literally every time they started eve, via the big devblog links on the launcher. CCP did a fine job of publicizing these changes and giving players links to more info, its not their fault if players choose to gloss over the launcher links when they log in.

And a big fat NO to evemail notifications. It irked me when I got a mail from CCP to vote in the CSM election, let's keep the mass mailings and my inbox to a minimum, thank you.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-06-04 19:40:23 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Actually, the bottom line is “review your attitude towards staying updated to game changes.”
You made a mistake. Learn from it.


I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.

I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information as I now know CCP don't put the information where it should be. IN game.


Im pretty sure I've seen that info in the news items after you log into the game 
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-06-04 19:41:14 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
It's not my fault.


Yes it is.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2013-06-04 19:44:27 UTC
Kangaax wrote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234

Note this was posted on febuary.


A ton of ******* good that did for those of us trained before February.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#40 - 2013-06-04 19:48:36 UTC
Zaryte wrote:
IFor all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

Your ignorance is not an excuse, regardless of your character/account age.

You managed to find your way onto the forums to whine pretty easily, you had months to do the same thing to find out about patch notes and expansions.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword