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What makes you think these trillionaires you speak of didn't already invest in Procurers when they cost 2m a pop?

Say I was to give you 3b ISK right now, more than your current NAV I believe, what would you be able to do with it, what kind of profit would you be able to make on it, and what return would I expect to receive on such an investment?

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I started playing EVE only about eight months ago, so I am still wet behind the ears. I was too new to know anything about the barge buff, but once I figured out what a "bargain" the post-patch Procurer was, I bought some in hopes of making some ISK. And I did make good ISK, for my size, by buying them where they were cheap and moving them to where I could mark them up a few million and sell them one at a time, after which I'd go and get some more. This was just one of many activities I was doing, trying to find my niche in EVE. When I started T2 manufacturing, I bought a researched Procurer BPO, at a very healthy discount from NPC price, and started inventing Skiffs. About this time, I discovered a contract for a large quantity of Procurers at a very low price per unit. I can't remember exactly how many, or for exactly how much, but I do remember that the contract total was staggering to me - far more than I could hope to make in the foreseeable future. But the opportunity was irresistible, and I started trying to figure out how I could borrow the ISK to do the deal, and become wealthy in the process.

To improve my chances of getting a loan, I started researching the loan market, and the Procurer market, and following MD fairly closely. At the same time, my other EVE activities continued, and I followed what is probably a very common path for newbie industrialists and traders. As I got more experience, a million ISK stopped seeming like such a huge amount of ISK, and an hour of my time started seeming like a much bigger chunk of time. The time it took me to haul Procurers to the far corners of highsec became non-trivial. The three million ISK "profit" began to seem like a modest return for tying up an order slot for the length of time it took to sell. And it occurred to me that the large number of Procurers offered for sale in that contract, by someone much more space-rich and experienced than me, was an indicator of the magnitude of the Procurer glut. I did not have the ISK to buy the contract, but if I had, I would have declined, because there were a hundred other places to park that ISK that seemed like better options.

I am certain that it is possible to buy Procurers today, hold them, and sell them for a profit. My gut feeling is that the return on such an investment over time is likely to be worse than dozens of more liquid investment options. But I am still a newbie, and I look forward to learning from the results of this venture, however it goes.

You can buy them off me directly. I have about 30k procurers left

Sold 15k, you can check my public contracts

I hardly believe i bring together the funds, I came to the conclusion that the procurer investors and most others want to have the market like it is and therefore be stuck with the procurers for ages, there is no plan to blowup procurers with an event and there is no plan to rais the price, the masses are even against somebody trying to change things

I will still keep trading some of the procurers on my own, but the big thing hardly will happen, people prefer counting procurers instead of moving forward and try to solve the problem

I'm out of this now, good luck to you all

Considering this idea and your PLEX theory, and the fact that you are RL investor, is the logical conclusion not that you buy 10000 PLEX with real money and thus invest in both projects with your own money.

For the isk flow I am sure there would be plenty in MD that would be happy to hold the PLEX as collateral for whatever size loans you would need. Since its collateral you will get it back from the trusted 3rd party at the current level price / value. I am pretty by now you have figured out there are people in EVE that will not scam you for anything in your current range.

If you get into the high Trillion range you should consider Chribba or Grendell level trusted collateral holder.

Unless you are a top of the line executive at Goldman Sachs or involved in a reputable ETF funds or other passive index funds, your "20 years" of experience in stock means utterly nothing.

Following your line of reasoning, once being an accountant and public auditor at Big Four with years of forensic accounting, VC & PE, and public accounting experience and currently employed in a major securities company with major presence in South-eastern Asian market, I can say this with 150% conviction that if I were to audit your ridiculous venture, I would give a "qualified opinion" and warn every rational investors from investing in this bogus fund of yours.

Do us a favor and just stop responding to this thread. With this much negative publicity, no one will invest in this sham of yours.

Why is that? Seriously... Why is that?

Your statement attracts scepticism because during your 15 years of overseeing sales and production planning have you not gained the basic concept of researching your market before committing resources to a project?

If you had bought into something like NPC trade goods covering Electronic Parts, Hydrogen Batteries, Data Sheets, etc. before Odyssey had been deployed then you might have planted a fertile ISK seed.

That statement made me wince.

Well your mostly complaining to the 1% here that they are wrong.



So lets make that sentence of yours : remember nothing is wrong with an idea , sometimes people are just too selfcentered to change the idea into a working idea.

I love your plan Harry!

But before I invest, how many others have invested and how much?