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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#121 - 2011-11-05 19:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Heimdallofasgard
This is one for the future but:

What do people think of the idea of a sort of afk camera pan thing... similar to what happens in fallout where if you're afk for a certain period it starts to pan the camera. Like... if you're in space for a certain time it starts to focus on the different nebulae with information about it? maybe it could be extended to different things on grid with you etc... It could come up with an overlay like you see in the chaos theory trailer with information about what the camera's looking at...

opinions?

Edit: was the butterfly effect trailer: Trailer
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#122 - 2011-11-05 19:32:24 UTC
In several nebulae, a lot of dark bare space is left, this may be intentional, but it detracts from the feel of immersion when one side is gorgeously enriched and the other is bare. I'd like to see the nebulae cover more of the solar system, and less bare dark space.
Valeo Galaem
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#123 - 2011-11-05 19:39:07 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
In several nebulae, a lot of dark bare space is left, this may be intentional, but it detracts from the feel of immersion when one side is gorgeously enriched and the other is bare. I'd like to see the nebulae cover more of the solar system, and less bare dark space.


This is intentional, since you are not fully inside the nebula yet, but just on the edge. If the granularity is ever increased this will become more obvious.

Standalone Windows build of ccpgames/dae-to-red

https://github.com/Nu11u5/dae-to-red/releases

Valeo Galaem
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2011-11-05 19:39:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Valeo Galaem
[double post stupid forums]

Standalone Windows build of ccpgames/dae-to-red

https://github.com/Nu11u5/dae-to-red/releases

Jiji Hamin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2011-11-05 20:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiji Hamin
Vegare wrote:
I'd like to put emphasis on an issue which not a lot of people have noticed as it seems. It is a big deal for me though and I wonder if it will for others as well as soon as they are aware...

Link to Screenshot

The more dense areas of the nebulae let the light of the stars behind them shine through with full intensity. (It seems as if they were infront, or if the dark areas were holes in the nebulae) For comparison here's a real picture of a part of the Eagle Nebula - as you can see only the bright stars can be seen through the nebula. Their color is modulated and their brightness has diminished, though.

When you showcased the nebulas at fanfest you got that right as seen in the Screenshot linked above.

This "mistake" somehow destroys the illusion of three-dimensionality and therefore the feeling of depth of particular nebulae.

o/
vegare

/edit for clarification


*signed*

also, a few minnie station/gate structures now look pitch-black, naturally the image quality/skybox corners need to be fixed.

The only thing that isn't a glitch but SHOULD be worked on is planet rings. If they are backlit by a bright nebula they don't look the way they should, and I have the feeling that that isn't a *glitch* the way the aforementioned problems are technical glitches, but this seems to result from the way you made your art assets ground-up and might be a ***** to fix...

as for the star map, i just want to see written landmark names that much names like "Gunningap" or "chord of the elements" as well as to remove irrelevant/unused landmark names" to let people know what they are looking at or for and to instruct potential site-seers what parts of 0.0 to cov-ops over to. Utilizing the already-existing landmark system would be ideal because it is already there and presumably easy to implement, and would give travelers in space a vague idea of the location of the nebulae that they use as reference points, without having to state in a set-in-stone way the exact placement and shape of the nebulae or do very much technical work on your end for something that impacts the majority of gameplay so little.
Lleira Archandre
Xun Neo-Ascendancy
#126 - 2011-11-05 21:06:14 UTC
Hosedna wrote:
There is a bug in Pakshi sky, we can see the seams of the cube in one of the nebulaes :D

Other than that, they are amazing !

Bug


Dunno if someone mentioned this already but the same bug shows up in Khanid region (or in Ibani at the very least). Not as noticeable but still quite clearly there:

http://i40.tinypic.com/np2zk8.jpg

I do agree though, they are simply jaw-dropping. Amazing work guys, keep it coming! Can't wait to see these on TQ!
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2011-11-05 21:17:00 UTC
great work
ollobrains
Alts R Us
#128 - 2011-11-05 22:44:09 UTC
Wheres my comets with moon goo
Caldain Morrow
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2011-11-05 22:46:11 UTC
Temuken Radzu wrote:
My reaction: Awsomenesss


second.
Caldain Morrow
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2011-11-05 22:54:40 UTC
The one bit i've found though is with the new lighting some turrets (my 200mm ACs) aren't picking up the nebulae's red glare so they really stand out against my hull as black blobs instead of being part of the ship. Beyond that though the art department has knocked it out of the park on this one. Can't wait to see what people find to whine about on his one. I also notice that when was running multiple clients the client was lagging a little. Not a lot but enough to be noticed. I know it seems like I'm the one whining here, but if the only complaints are some minor tweaks for the seams, a slightily laggy client (when using multiple clients), some lighting tweaks, and a cry for more... y'all done som'tin right.
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2011-11-05 22:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Camios
I have roamed New Eden around and I can tell that I don't understand some things. There something like 20 nebulas, and I should be able to see each one ofl them if it not hidden by another nebula.

For example, imagine you are in Insmother.


  1. If you look East. you should only see the Galaxy Edge. Check.
  2. If you look West, you should see a lot of things. You should see that big red papillon that probably is the Gunnungagap, that is visibl. Beyond it, you should see the red nebulas of minmatar space. None of them are visible.
  3. A bit further and a bit more toward north I think there should be the whitish nebula of caldari space, it should be at least partiallyvisible. It is not.
  4. Facing North-West, you should see that whitish nebula (in Perrigen Falls?) that you can see from Etherium Reach, and in the distance you should ses the yellow and green nebula you can see in the northern regions . Both are not visible.
  5. If you look south or south west you should be able to see that yellow-brownish nebula in Curse, the Amarr nebulas, and the Green nebula in the south east of new eden...


I hope that the chioces of what is visible and what is not are not final... it's a bit inconsistent and thus immersion breaking.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#132 - 2011-11-05 23:13:51 UTC
Camios wrote:
I have roamed New Eden around and I can tell that I don't understand some things. There something like 20 nebulas, and I should be able to see each one ofl them if it not hidden by another nebula.

For example, imagine you are in Insmother.


  1. If you look East. you should only see the Galaxy Edge. Check.
  2. If you look West, you should see a lot of things. You should see that big red papillon that probably is the Gunnungagap, that is visibl. Beyond it, you should see the red nebulas of minmatar space. None of them are visible.
  3. A bit further and a bit more toward north I think there should be the whitish nebula of caldari space, it should be at least partiallyvisible. It is not.
  4. Facing North-West, you should see that whitish nebula (in jovian space?) that you can see from Etherium Reach, and in the distance you should ses the yellow and green nebula you can see in the northern regions . Both are not visible.
  5. If you look south or south west you should be able to see that yellow-brownish nebula in Curse, the Amarr nebulas, and the Green nebula in the south east of new eden...


I hope that the chioces of what is visible and what is not are not final... it's a bit inconsistent and thus immersion breaking.


I think they've got the right balance... we can't see nebulas from our solar system that are the other side of the galaxy
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#133 - 2011-11-05 23:19:10 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
Several ships are too dark. I undocked from Jita and all I could see is a dark blob and can barely discern textures. Lightning needs to be adjusted, otherwise we can't enjoy the new textures in several regions, instead we get a black blob.

Example


I for one love the darkened ships.
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2011-11-05 23:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Camios
Heimdallofasgard wrote:

I think they've got the right balance... we can't see nebulas from our solar system that are the other side of the galaxy


Except that many of those object are not "the other side of the galaxy" but perfectly in sight because there is nothing in between.
Another example.
In Curse the Amarr nebula should be visible looking west (it is quite near) while that space looks empty. And even the Tenerifis nebula should be visible, just smaller.
And In Venal? For the same reasons the Caldari nebula should be on sight... it is not. Branch is empty.

I like the result anyway but I think that there is room for improvement, and maybe CCP is able to just turn the visibility on and off for some objects.

CCP, let us see what is not hidden!
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#135 - 2011-11-05 23:43:15 UTC
Zirse wrote:
Raven Ether wrote:
Several ships are too dark. I undocked from Jita and all I could see is a dark blob and can barely discern textures. Lightning needs to be adjusted, otherwise we can't enjoy the new textures in several regions, instead we get a black blob.

Example


I for one love the darkened ships.


Love the darkened ships too... when the only light sources are the sun and nebulae, of course it's gonna be dark!
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#136 - 2011-11-05 23:53:24 UTC
Camios wrote:
Heimdallofasgard wrote:

I think they've got the right balance... we can't see nebulas from our solar system that are the other side of the galaxy


Except that many of those object are not "the other side of the galaxy" but perfectly in sight because there is nothing in between.
Another example.
In Curse the Amarr nebula should be visible looking west (it is quite near) while that space looks empty. And even the Tenerifis nebula should be visible, just smaller.
And In Venal? For the same reasons the Caldari nebula should be on sight... it is not. Branch is empty.

I like the result anyway but I think that there is room for improvement, and maybe CCP is able to just turn the visibility on and off for some objects.

CCP, let us see what is not hidden!


the vapor sea lies between stain and the amarr nebulae it's pretty far to the north west in real terms

as for venal? haven't been up that way yet so can't comment
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2011-11-06 00:41:07 UTC
Heimdallofasgard wrote:

the vapor sea lies between stain and the amarr nebulae it's pretty far to the north west in real terms

as for venal? haven't been up that way yet so can't comment


The vapor sea (or the pool of radiance, i'm not sure what is that thing in the south) is visible from curse, and it's as distant as the Domain region (where the Amarr nebula is located), so I think that the amarr nebula should be visible as the vapor sea.

But even if that's not the case, since there is nothing between the amarr nebula and Curse, I should be able to see at least something, like a little faint stain in the distance (faint. maybe, but the size is given by geometrical calculations and if i'm right is appreciable anyway). Instead, there isn't anything when you look west.

Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#138 - 2011-11-06 00:51:03 UTC
Camios wrote:
Heimdallofasgard wrote:

the vapor sea lies between stain and the amarr nebulae it's pretty far to the north west in real terms

as for venal? haven't been up that way yet so can't comment


The vapor sea (or the pool of radiance, i'm not sure what is that thing in the south) is visible from curse, and it's as distant as the Domain region (where the Amarr nebula is located), so I think that the amarr nebula should be visible as the vapor sea.

But even if that's not the case, since there is nothing between the amarr nebula and Curse, I should be able to see at least something, like a little faint stain in the distance (faint. maybe, but the size is given by geometrical calculations and if i'm right is appreciable anyway). Instead, there isn't anything when you look west.



how do you know which way's west?
Brynseldimer
Vermelho Escorpia
#139 - 2011-11-06 00:55:29 UTC
In Genesis there's what looks to be a crease in one of the brownish nebula textures.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#140 - 2011-11-06 01:04:58 UTC
They look amazing, but I couldn't help but feel the box'ness of them. If that makes sense. As some have said the feeling of depth seems to be gone in that it feels much more like in I'm a box than the other ones. I'm not sure if this a effect issue or what.