Intergalactic Summit

I love how a Matari is telling me how the Empire works, and then pleasantly dismissing me through his teeth. You would think an Amarr group opposed to slavery would be percieved as a good thing by the Matar, and that I would be battling verbally with the Amarrian conservative bloc. Instead, I am being grilled by the Matari. Who knew? There's just no way to talk with your people, is there?

Mr. Sadik,

Your logic that we promote slavery because we defend the Amarr Empire is like saying you promote prostitution or other actions of your relatives simply because you defend and protect them. We have our reasons for being in the Empire, and furthermore, our reasons for being in the militia, and a lot of it happens to do with protecting what is close to us. Slavery is an ugly bit of the Empire, but to abandon the Empire because of its misgivings would be irresponsible. The Empire must be changed from the inside, because I can tell you all the work that you, the Minmatar militia, and I used to do has done very little to change the Empire's stance on slavery or anything else, for that matter.

The Empire must be defended. The stance of many in the Republic is no less free of sin or guilt than some slavers from the Empire; Minmatar everywhere have the desire to see the Empire and all it's people burn with no chance of mercy. Such longing for vengeance and love of hatred is just as disgusting to me, as is slavery in the Empire.

So yes, look in the mirror is all I'm saying.

Now, as to our "actions", well, I'll let you see for yourself. But yes, all this posturing and words on these forums can be quite tiring and pointless. I'll see you in space.

Yes, if you defend the pimps from harm, you support prostitution. More specifically, if there is a group of pimps abusing and exploiting prostitutes, and you defend them from harm, you support that abuse and exploitation.

Does that surprise you?

See, this is the sensible (and honest) argument.

What you are saying is that you defend the status quo of the Empire against an invasion (including trying to conquer Republic space, as is only sensible in a war) because you prefer to retain the Empire as is over the Empire being destroyed by an invasion. You would then still like to change the Empire, but you want to change it on your own terms.

And if that means that the free Minmatar will all be enslaved and the Republic destroyed, then that is an acceptable collateral damage to you. Acceptable, because the defense of the Empire is more important to you.

And I am saying that you are presenting a false dichotomy. You can fight for the Empire AND against slavery. You saying otherwise doesn't make it otherwise. What the organization, 24IC promotes is its own business. Their goals and our goals are not identical. I choose to defend the Empire. That does not equal support it blindly. Change is already happening. I simply request that you stop presenting black and white binary situations. These are not black and white topics.

Also, please refrain from dictating to me what my options are. Take another long look and maybe you will find a third option.

Look at the ego on you. Huge. Still so absolutist. I can't have a debate with you if you refuse to even concieve of other possibilities.

Good call. It's long past "starting" to get insulting. You've been subtly insulting me for several posts now. And vice versa. That's fine and dandy.

You have a nice day as well.

OOC and off topic posts removed.

Caellach, you fell for a necroed thread. Congrats. :-)

TEST, as an Alliance primarily made up of Matari pilots, will be coming for you. So fight us. Meet us on the battlefield in glorious combat, and assert yourselves as the force you say you are. The "cleansing heat" of your lasers versus the shattering crash of our artillery.

The glove has been tossed, if you so dare to pick it up.

Also:

We will encroach and pillage your homeland like you did to the matari so long ago! The hammer of TEST has fallen, and great will be the butthurt you will receive!