EVE General Discussion

own them

That is not forcing them, that's persuading them.

Since you seem to think you know me. Let's test it.

I am going to wardec you, then lets test and see if I choose not to drop the war if ISK is offered.

Concord police are just like real police, they show up long after you are dead...

OK, so someone undercuts my market sell order - what move do I have that will FORCE them to retract their order?

OK, so someone logs in a mining fleet after downtime and mines out the ore in my system while I'm at work - what move do I have that will FORCE them to retract their industrial operations?

OK, so someone warps their Ishtar into the 4/10 DED I'm running - what move do I have that will FORCE them to retract their drones and leave the complex?

I don't think the OP is too much concerned that he might lose. He just wants to know how he can win. A corp that wants to fight can force another corp into a war; how can the latter corp, force them out of it?

Sure, they can fight, but that's giving the enemy what they want. They can pay someone else to fight, but that's still giving the enemy what they want. They can stay docked for a week but that's just refusing to play until the enemy gets bored.

Since corps can deliver a CONCORD message to other corps that says "you are going to be at war in 24 hours, like it or not" then, for the principle to be equal in both directions, it should be possible to deliver a CONCORD message that says "the war you declared will be over in 24 hours, like it or not."

The OP's idea of making them have a POS somewhere is - I think, but I could be very wrong! - not about forcing the enemy to lose ISK, but about giving you a chance to END the war, in your favour, at a time of YOUR choosing. Take a corp's POS away and the war ends immediately, they lose. At the moment, a war only ends when the corporation who declared it decides that it will end - or forgets to pay the weekly fee. (There used to be a mechanic whereby a CEO could pay another CEO in exchange for an end to the war - I don't think anyone ever used it, because the other CEO could agree the ceasefire then declare another war immediately afterwards, so it was completely pointless. I don't even know if it still exists.)

It is PvP-centric as the game revolves around PvP. It has PvE elements as crafting and trading, but you understand quickly what it's true aim is.

The war decs are a mixed bag. It's something PvErs like, since they can just hire a merc corp to beat up some butthole (which in PvE games isn't an option). So it serves a purpose in high sec. Does it have problems? Yes, especially if used as a means to simply harass. But it works in the framework of a PvP game. It gives an otherwise dead aspect of the game something to do; let's mouthbreathers find shiny targets to drool over to kill; and that PvE Jita trader never had to get his hands dirty in PvP. Merc is paid, contractor got the problem settled, and the jerk maybe learned a lesson.

True, a war is about mass destruction and conquering (and more than it's pawns in a war), and the assets folks are willing to depart with are nominal. So "war dec" is stretching the definition of conducting a real war, as folks aren't really losing unrecoverable assets (they can just hop to Jita for replacements). It's more like a "police action" by players.

In the end EvE is about PvP to an extent, as much as it's a sandbox to an extent. Other factors are mixed in to make it not truly a PvP game nor a sandbox (a true sandbox game is god mode, and that won't work well in a MMO). It's just the way it is.

Personally, high sec should be PvP free, but limited to players who haven't skilled to a certain level (e.g., not standard in core skills to survive in a ship). After they do, CONCORD kicks them out into low or null station to play the game as intended. High sec should be a newbie zone, not where low/null sec mains park their alts to craft and trade. When the game is played more like PvP, with hard to recover from assets destroyed, then folks will police themselves better...and the landscape can truly change (e.g., Goons will have to do more than blob).

I like this. This is a good idea. New POS module incoming! No more one man afk cloaky stealth bomber miner killers with no PvP skill. I personally think we need more anchorable assets in general. It would make warfare feel much more meaningful. I want to see player owned customs offices in highsec.

The POS module could allow people to pay off CONCORD within so many light years of the module. So that people couldn't put up a POS in the ass end of amarr highsec and go kill people in Jita with no risk of the POS ever being found.

PS: Ninja edited.

A mechanic like that is impossible to create simply because for some wardeclaring corp a simple thing like a POS is completely meaningless, while for others it would be practically irreplaceable. Make their life in the game a living hell by any means you can come up with, once they realize they have no other choice but to end the war, then you can consider them the losers and yourself as the winner.

It's as simple as that.

Actually, the more I think about the idea of a POS module that allows war decs within a light year range of the module the more I want it. It would solve so many problems it's unreal. It would actually introduce tactics into highsec warfare. I might have to write up a features and ideas discussion for this later today...