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About the Eos' model

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Mahuika
AIR WATER
#281 - 2013-06-04 03:45:13 UTC
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That would (potentially) mean:

Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

+1 from me.
Siempre Duskwraith
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#282 - 2013-06-04 04:05:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Siempre Duskwraith
Welp its pretty obvious I'm in the minority here about not wanting to change the nighthawk to the drake model from the ferox. For me this would be like making the Jaguar look like the Probe. I guess I'll try and fly it as much as possible until they change the model or until Goons, NCdot, and PL wipe us all out. Sad Sad day.
Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#283 - 2013-06-04 04:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Onslaughtor
In a perfect world I would want both ^_^.

The drake and harbinger are two of my favorite hulls in the game and I'm not really impressed by the Kaalakiota and Carthum colors on them. I would kill to see them in Ishukone and Khanid colors respectively. It would also give the ship hulls some of that cross weapon feel that the sacrilege and onyx have . I'm sure I'm not the only one who has wanted to put blasters on a drake, and hams on a harbinger.

The Eos looks good and I think I agree with everyone else when it comes to the Sleipnir. The Core Comlpexion colors would look amazing on the hurricane hull.
Xygatrix
Koukaku Kidoutai.
#284 - 2013-06-04 06:37:14 UTC
I'm seriously torn. The proposed Eos and Nighthawk look beautiful but I greatly prefer classic Sleip and I hate the Harbinger hull.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2013-06-04 07:28:20 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Threestep wrote:
I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes?


Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls.

The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later.
Nighthawk (and perhaps also Drake) should have 2 of their launcher bumps removed from the model.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#286 - 2013-06-04 08:32:15 UTC
Use the Myrm hull! USE THE MYRM HULL!!!!!

that is all.
Kerdrak
Querry Moon
#287 - 2013-06-04 08:33:05 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Do it and then, please, a T2 version of tier 3 BC.

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    Bakuhz
    NED-Clan
    Goonswarm Federation
    #288 - 2013-06-04 08:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bakuhz
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    I like the idea with a few boundaries

    first of all touch the nighthawk as a ferox model and you declare war to caldari ferox is to d@mn sexy with black and red
    so hands off
    as long as the damnation stays a prophecy hull in khanid colors i am happy
    although i would like to see more ships in khanid colors ( Redeemer / Purifier )
    changing the sleipnir is also a kill btw you allready raped the cyclone of it's sexy auto cannons do something for the autocannon loving cyclone followers
    oh and i love the Myrm
    for anything else i am totally PRO very nice so fozzie ill say do it with the few limitations

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    Seeing Double
    Suddenly Corporation.
    Suddenly Spaceships.
    #289 - 2013-06-04 09:03:44 UTC
    NO Do NOT change those CS' to the Myrm etc.

    Myrmidon - Serpentis
    Harbinger - Blood Raider
    Hurricane - Angel??
    Drake - Guristas

    I think that'd be amazing.
    Moonaura
    The Dead Rabbit Society
    #290 - 2013-06-04 10:22:32 UTC
    Personally, I'd rather the alternative hulls, actually be used for some new form of command ship, with different bonuses and uses on the field. But this would require some innovation on CCP's part and introduction of new game mechanics. But after you've done balancing, this is the sort of direction I'd like to see things go, rather than a cosmetic change.

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    Moonaura
    The Dead Rabbit Society
    #291 - 2013-06-04 10:24:21 UTC
    Bakuhz wrote:
    [quote=CCP Fozzie]

    first of all touch the nighthawk as a ferox model and you declare war to caldari ferox is to d@mn sexy with black and red
    so hands off


    Agreed. The best damn paint job on all Caldari ships. Better than the 'urgh' gold to gray motif.

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    PavlikX
    Scan Stakan
    HOLD MY PROBS
    #292 - 2013-06-04 10:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: PavlikX
    Is it possible to make such change only to eos?

    Anyway, i am worried about future rebalance of this class much more then the model's version. Continue with nerf of this ships (1% resist change - remeber?) simply unacceptable
    Shugga Ditz
    Chaos Army
    #293 - 2013-06-04 10:43:11 UTC
    Do it...
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #294 - 2013-06-04 10:54:28 UTC
    PavlikX wrote:
    Is it possible to make such change only to eos?

    Anyway, i am worried about future rebalance of this class much more then the model's version. Continue with nerf of this ships (1% resist change - remeber?) simply unacceptable


    Fozzie said before that the hull change is all or nothing. As far as the rebalance is concerned, this isn't the thread for it but I can't be bothered to dig through a mountain of dev blogs looking for the exact ones I can never find, so I'll just go over it briefly. The biggest parts of it are pretty obvious. Merge Field and Fleet types so that there's only Command Ships with no more Field/Fleet, both hulls get bonuses to boosts as well as actually-useful bonuses to weapons and the ability to not die immediately in a fight.

    As for a change that wasn't specifically mentioned but seems pretty obvious in needing to be done, either every other command ship gets an extra slot to match the Sleip/Clay, making every other Command Ship much more powerful and popular (this is unlikely, based on prior evidence) or the Sleip and Clay lose a slot each, bringing them in line with the other six Command Ships and igniting a threadnought of biblical proportions (this is more likely, based on Fozzie's track record).
    PavlikX
    Scan Stakan
    HOLD MY PROBS
    #295 - 2013-06-04 10:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: PavlikX
    Smile
    I know perfectly about that devblog, and i mean exact stats of that ships - hp, slot, pg, cpu, skill bonuses and so on. CCP never posted such information before. It's obvious that fleet CS will have significant changes, field CS will have smaller numbers of changes (looks like). Here what i mean
    Gorgoth24
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #296 - 2013-06-04 11:43:04 UTC
    I support that half the command ship hulls be switched to tier 2 BC hulls.

    Please make this happen!
    max ericshaun
    Rattini Tribe
    Minmatar Fleet Alliance
    #297 - 2013-06-04 12:03:13 UTC
    YES

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    Crestor Markham
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #298 - 2013-06-04 13:15:57 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

    I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

    So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.


    Yeah I actually don't really like the change, mostly due to sleip (also slightly due to hating drake and all its models). Let's not spend dev time on it.

    re newbies not knowing what a sleip will do based on its model: THEY WILL LEARN QUICKLY AND NOT FORGET
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #299 - 2013-06-04 14:22:49 UTC
    Crestor Markham wrote:


    Yeah I actually don't really like the change, mostly due to sleip (also slightly due to hating drake and all its models). Let's not spend dev time on it.

    re newbies not knowing what a sleip will do based on its model: THEY WILL LEARN QUICKLY AND NOT FORGET


    Art Dev time is going to be spent on changing the Command Ship models, regardless of whether they switch the hulls or not. That much is 100% guaranteed to happen. It's also the same amount of dev time either way.
    Tarkett Reedster
    House of Reed Interstellar Defense Force
    #300 - 2013-06-04 23:11:15 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game “as is” and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new “Draked hulled” Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collector’s item that originated from “we the people” .

    Now that would be cool!