Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Considering your recent whines about afk cloaking, you'll have to forgive me for calling you a liar.

No, just like newbies don't get the benefits of a player run corp or alliance until they join one.

And considering all the whining that goes on in this forum about people living in Noob and NPC corps for months if not years and even their entire Eve career....it makes perfect sense...but oh wait, this is your attempt to indirectly nerf cloaks without doing anything about the OP intel that local offers.



Right because when people are carebearing it up they can see the AFK indicator, but when the AFK indicator goes away they can't see that.



Nobody is stopping you from chatting in local.

And Omnathious Deninard is absolutely correct, it this idea is horrible because it nerfs cloaks indirectly by buffing the intel local provides which is why AFK cloaking exists in the first place.

Look we get it that you are predominantly a PVE pilot. We get it that you don't like AFK cloakers messing up your PVE. But there is still this thing called game balance and what you are suggesting is not balanced.

And to answer you question on why more intel is bad, it is unbalanced. It makes null sec safer than it already is (which is surprisingly safe, BTW if you are in a system/region your corp/alliance controls).



No, he is correct and you are wrong. WH space is not like null. WH space does not have static/fixed entry points that have no limitations. Cynos are a viable option in K-space unlike W-space. As such, your response of "go to WH space" is stupid and facile.

The issue is about game balance. Right now local is a very good source of intel. It can never be fooled, it is always there. This makes it very powerful. PvE pilots know this. And they use it to their advantage as much as they can. So PvP pilots have turned it around on them via cloaking devices. In a crude and ham-handed way it is in balance. Is it a good way to do things? No. Most of us who respond to these nerf cloak threads with comments about local almost always support changes to cloaks (including hunting them) if and only if local is modified so it does not provide the nearly flawless intel.

If you read these threads, you'd know this. Since you don't I can only conclude that you haven't are being deliberately obtuse.

Nobody is saying, "I hate local". You are putting words in people's keyboards. What they are saying is that Local, as an intel tool, is OP. The way to try and balance that out is via cloaks and AFK cloaking. Does it make life harder for PVE pilots? Yes, absolutely. But that is the f***ing point! Just like an invasion makes life difficult for the sov holder, or a war dec makes life harder for the industrial corp in empire. That is part and parcel of this game, making life difficult for other players...the sandbox and emergent game play, player driven content, etc. You know this, and yet you keep getting up on your hobby horse and s***ing up this thread with your comments about local. Get off your hobby horse and look at the issue of local as an intel tool. Is it:

1. Always there?
2. Can you fool it (i.e. have it not report you, report you as blue, or something along those lines)?
3. Is there a 1-2 second delay for the pilot jumping in system loading grid vs. when they are reported in local?

I contend the answers are: Yes, no and yes.

As such it is a very powerful intel too. So now the next question:

How does a PvP pilot use local to his advantage?

Pretty much. You aren't fooling local by this. You are fooling the person looking at local. After awhile and a few tests they think, "Oh, he is AFK...he is always AFK." Then he does something that makes him vulnerable and the AFK guy comes back to his keyboard and notices this and takes advantage of it.

Change local so intel isn't handed out for practically no effort, and AFK cloaking will go the way of the dodo. Of course, that will also mean you'll have to work for your intel, but that is completely and 100% in line with the ranting from the OP in other AFK cloaking threads.

BTW, if you never undock/put yourself at risk (e.g. JC down to empire to run missions, mine, etc.) that cloaky will likely leave after awhile. If you can outlast him in the waiting game you can "win" that way too. It is a viable strategy...granted maybe not the optimal form of game play, but nowhere in the EULA/TOS or various policies for Eve Online does it say that one has a right to optimal game play at any time. Ever. From CCP's perspective it is either, HTFU or GTFO.

I think this is an excellent idea. This way, unscrupulous people will be encouraged to find ways to spoof activity with macros or scripts (emergent gameplay? lol) so that they can AFK cloak, yet not look like they're AFK at all. This will result in an even higher incidence of crybabies docking up, leaving more space clear for people who aren't afraid of cloaked ships.

Because there are players like me who sit cloaked in systems all day doing nothing but chatting to people in various channels. This is a thinly veiled NERF CLOAKY AFKERS thread. While, by all appearances, I am 'AFK', I am still active and monitoring my screen, and you will never know when I will strike. Better keep your directional scan window open.