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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2013-06-03 19:58:19 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.


I don't think you know what a DDoS is. It is not something that someone runs on their basement computer. You need to have control over a hung number of computers to pull it off, not easy. You either need to have hundreds of thousands of people willing to follow you for a cause (like Anonymous) or have control over that number of computers you have been able to compromise (nearly impossible given the security that exists today with modern software). Either way, this isn't something someone can do because they are looking for skill points.

This is 2013, not 2003.

There are quite a few operators that will rent out their (existing) botnets for ddos attacks - all they ask is your money and a target.

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floating in space
#102 - 2013-06-03 19:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: floating in space
Frostys Virpio wrote:

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So now it goes from OMG THANK CCP FOR THAT AMAZING UPDATES to OMG THERE WAS NOTHING TO UPDATE I <3 CCP

I'm starting to see how some of you may have run into problems during recess in your school years. Which actually explains a lot about EVE itself. Smile
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#103 - 2013-06-03 19:59:11 UTC
Captian Darknipples wrote:
I lost a days worth of game play from no fault of my own. CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time. All you suck ups can stop trying to speak for the rest of us. I especially get a kick out of you studs that make it a point to sign your name after every reply...Seriously get over yourself.



Suck it up, buttercup


love,
Vort

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Freya Kaundur
Doomheim
#104 - 2013-06-03 19:59:34 UTC
i have seen companies not mention for days why there service was down. a few hours in between updates is acceptable. and people we pay for the right to rent the license to play a account on there servers. ccp owns everything we do and has the right to shut service for whatever reason they deem necessary. and the only legal right we have under the eula is the ability to get a refund for the amount of time we lost due to the service being UN-accessible. so if you want to get your 50 cents back have at it.

if ccp gives any compensation it should be a custom tin foil hat that grants +32.5% to DDOS protection. that would make me happy. something fun and fluffy making fun of the situation.
Josef Djugashvilis
#105 - 2013-06-03 20:00:10 UTC
Normally, I do not want to anyone to quit Eve, but dear me, I have read all of this thread now, and I really hope that CCP do not give us any form of compensation, and the 'I want' folk quit Eve for good.

This is not a signature.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#106 - 2013-06-03 20:00:58 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Doesn't matter either way, it's CCP's call and they've already indicated they will do some form of compensation... because they feel it is the right thing to do, not because they are obligated to.


You said it, 100% correct.
CCP are not obligated to do any form of compensation, especially in a case such as the DoS attack.
Yet they have stated they will come up with something, out of their own good morals and care of their customers, not because some people are screaming AYE and others NAY.

Because this is who CCP are.

Either/or, I don't care. The very idea that CCP are considering compensation means a lot (of good things).

Thank you for securing my data, CCP.

o7

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-06-03 20:02:08 UTC
Julius Rigel wrote:
The only way these skillpoints affect me is having to make another petition to have them moved to another character so they don't clutter my skill sheet.


Yuuuuuup. Same here.
James 420
EVE Corporation 98188875
#108 - 2013-06-03 20:04:29 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.


I don't think you know what a DDoS is. It is not something that someone runs on their basement computer. You need to have control over a hung number of computers to pull it off, not easy. You either need to have hundreds of thousands of people willing to follow you for a cause (like Anonymous) or have control over that number of computers you have been able to compromise (nearly impossible given the security that exists today with modern software). Either way, this isn't something someone can do because they are looking for skill points.

This is 2013, not 2003.

There are quite a few operators that will rent out their (existing) botnets for ddos attacks - all they ask is your money and a target.

Sure dude I'll use thousands of dollars and the possibility to get arrested to get 50k sp in eve, it's not like I can buy isk with real money or anything right?

Proud enforcer of 420 BLAZE IT
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-06-03 20:05:43 UTC
floating in space wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

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So now it goes from OMG THANK CCP FOR THAT AMAZING UPDATES to OMG THERE WAS NOTHING TO UPDATE I <3 CCP

I'm starting to see how some of you may have run into problems during recess in your school years. Which actually explains a lot about EVE itself. Smile


I'm really lost about what you mean by that now. Is my english really that bad or it's not supposed to make any sense?
ian papabear
No Regard.
#110 - 2013-06-03 20:07:35 UTC
why would you even have compensation? some higher sp players like myself had 30day skills in the que anyway, wouldnt make a difference unless eve was down for more than a month lol

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-06-03 20:10:07 UTC
Winterblink wrote:
You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?

Yes.

I once was DDoS by some Russian guy in the old NC to kill my snipe Panther. He all but said it in local to me moments before it happened. I had just popped one of their cynos on station or something and went to a safe spot and cloaked. They launched probes, informed me I was about to have a bad day. In came the DDoS to crash my clients and my IP. After five solid minutes they finally stopped the DDoS attack and I was able to log back in. Into a station of course. I logged my covert cyno alt back on, the system I was snipping in and they warned me it would happen again if I did what I was doing again.

So again, yes. People will do anything possible in this game. Especially if they feel untouchable.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-06-03 20:10:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Forgive my ignorance, who is he?


that's Geert Wilders

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-06-03 20:15:49 UTC
I can see some of these people (if and when) they go out on a date and their partner does not offer sex afterwards...

"Hey! I bought dinner! You owe me!"
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-06-03 20:17:16 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
I can see some of these people (if and when) they go out on a date and their partner does not offer sex afterwards...

"Hey! I bought dinner! You owe me!"


Sadly, I'v eseen it happen IRL. It's pretty bad...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#115 - 2013-06-03 20:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Winterblink wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.

You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?




Why not? People will RMT large amounts of money and the worst of the worst KM-addicts will go to greater lengths.


Rewarding everybody for downtime I think is certain to make some people think that they can get more free SP. Imagine if they can bring everything down for a week? And they will be in these forums screaming the loudest for SP, as part of the op.

They should just give everybody a Quafe.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-06-03 20:19:54 UTC
I agree - please don't give these players compensation, give it all to ME! muahahaha
Nada Kenodori
Perkone
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-06-03 20:22:35 UTC
Karean Frintezaa wrote:
Compensating players who werent able to play on sunday is the best choice they make in my opinion.

Although it wasnt their fault that the servers crashed, it is their responsibility to keep them up.
As a company it is also their responsability to asure majoraty of the clients are happy with the service.

Its not like they are sacrificing their liives for you, they do it because you are paying their rents,food etc...
May sound a bit blunt but its reality.



+1
We're paying (not all of us) for this game. As a new player with less than 600k SP, every little bit count. Getting at least a free day added to my account would be fine and fair. Not too sure about giving free SP, but I'll take whatever they decide (and they will as stated in their previous announce). It's just another good opportunity for CCP to prove how their company rocks and how they care for their customer base.
floating in space
#118 - 2013-06-03 20:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: floating in space
Frostys Virpio wrote:


I'm really lost about what you mean by that now. Is my English really that bad or it's not supposed to make any sense?


A lot of children find 'sucking up' and 'suck-ups' to be contemptible... this extends to adults of course as well. The implication being that these kids were picked on in school for this behavior and then come to EVE and bully other people now, as an outlet for the shame and anger they're still dealing with from childhood 'harvesting tears' as it were. Creating the harsh universe we see in EVE today.
HesCalledTheStig
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2013-06-03 20:58:51 UTC
Are you kidding? Because of a vulnerability on CCPs end I lost almost 24 hours of training only a few days before a major update hits that changes a lot of skills.
Zenith Huunuras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-06-03 21:05:13 UTC
Now that i see people keep bringing up legal arguments and EULAs, you do know that many of these EULAs don't hold much ground against customer protection laws in most if not all jurisdictions. But debating legal stuff is pointless anyway, nobody in his right mind would think of taking legal action is such a minor incident.
This is a customer service and marketing issue. CCP didn't provide a service, for a relatively extended period of time, during peak hours. While it's not the end of the world if for me personally if no compensation is provided, the people that strongly ask for one are not out of line.

Oh and this "suck it up" attitude is fine in game. It's one of the things that's attractive to eve. But when it comes to the real world things don't(or shouldn't) work this way and totally unacceptable towards customers. This is why a day added to play time would be a fair compensation in my book, and not free SP. Yes, i do feel entitled, just as i feel entitled to a pizza when i pay for a pizza.

Anyway, this is more for the "suck it up" mob, trolls and tinfoil hat wearers. All in all CCP did a decent job for a not so big company, this is not a hate post.