These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

CCP please do not compensate !!!

Author
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#81 - 2013-06-03 19:25:38 UTC
floating in space wrote:
I'm just at a loss as to what kind of person begs and pleads for no compensation?

It just seems like omega-tier sycophantic behavior

Perhaps an honest one that doesn't want to be associated with self entitled beggars? Smile

Doesn't matter either way, it's CCP's call and they've already indicated they will do some form of compensation... because they feel it is the right thing to do, not because they are obligated to.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.

floating in space
#82 - 2013-06-03 19:28:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
floating in space wrote:
I'm just at a loss as to what kind of person begs and pleads for no compensation?

It just seems like omega-tier sycophantic behavior

Perhaps an honest one that doesn't want to be associated with self entitled beggars? Smile

Doesn't matter either way, it's CCP's call and they've already indicated they will do some form of compensation... because they feel it is the right thing to do, not because they are obligated to.


I didn't see anyone acting entitled, even when servers were down it seemed like a select group of people where already screaming "do not compensate" I find it so unnecessary and almost sickening.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-06-03 19:29:01 UTC
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.


I don't think you know what a DDoS is. It is not something that someone runs on their basement computer. You need to have control over a hung number of computers to pull it off, not easy. You either need to have hundreds of thousands of people willing to follow you for a cause (like Anonymous) or have control over that number of computers you have been able to compromise (nearly impossible given the security that exists today with modern software). Either way, this isn't something someone can do because they are looking for skill points.
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-06-03 19:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Basileus wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
why not. i have seen people do much more for much less.

Oh have you? Really? Be completely honest now.


A friend of mine, several years ago now, changed everyone's grades in the school system to A+'s. He didn't do it for money, he simply did it because the IT technician boasted it couldn't be done.

It was an amusing week thereafter. People do things only for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles though, that's for certain.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-06-03 19:35:58 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
People need to read the EULA. I have no problem with CCP doing what it has to do in order to protect my information. Sony needs to pay attention and stop trying to give away free games when some hackers steal my cc info. Thats BS.

Thanks CCP.



^^^^^^^^Attention
from the EULA: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/


"NO WARRANTIES

The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.

CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.

While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures."


Some say recovery from a DDoS in the time CCP just did is pretty good.
Captian Darknipples
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-06-03 19:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Captian Darknipples
I lost a days worth of game play from no fault of my own. CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time. All you suck ups can stop trying to speak for the rest of us. I especially get a kick out of you studs that make it a point to sign your name after every reply...Seriously get over yourself.
Sudog Aonaran
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2013-06-03 19:38:48 UTC
I really don't care either way, I'm just hoping to get back to my home computer before the servers go down for the update. I had about 1 day and a few hours left when I went to bed on sunday night, servers running fine. Wake up planning to que up my long skills on 2 characters before I start working for 24 hours straight, servers down...luckily I'm in korea, so I should be able to log in when I get back to my room in about 3 hours, I hope.
Vega Makutu
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-06-03 19:39:03 UTC
Yeah, I don't need to be compensated because some internet psychopath(s) forced your servers offline.

I really hope the person or people that did this get caught and punished though. That would be compensation enough.
Rumpole Geten
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-06-03 19:39:11 UTC
Seems we have a thread full of people who love downtime. You know, you can simulate downtime by just unplugging your internet connection? Works a treat.

While you fellows get on with that people who paid money for a service that was down would like a refund. If you thinkj that makes me entitled I can sell you access to a game that never works if you like. No problem at all.

I do agree with the sentiment that skill points are not good for compensation. keep them, refund the cash. Or at a pinch I'll accept game time, but I want at least twice as much as was lost. That is to compensate for the inconvenience, not just the lost time.
Josef Djugashvilis
#90 - 2013-06-03 19:41:01 UTC
The Launcher debacle was CCP's fault, so they compensated us.

The DDoS was the fault of the person or persons who made the attack on the servers.

I am all for free stuff when it is appropriate, but in this case I do not think that CCP are under any obligation to do so.

CCP deserve credit for how well they handled the situation providing updates.

This is not a signature.

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-06-03 19:41:25 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
People need to read the EULA. I have no problem with CCP doing what it has to do in order to protect my information. Sony needs to pay attention and stop trying to give away free games when some hackers steal my cc info. Thats BS.

Thanks CCP.



^^^^^^^^Attention
from the EULA: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/


"NO WARRANTIES

The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.

CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.

While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures."


Some say recovery from a DDoS in the time CCP just did is pretty good.


Yup, I agree. If it takes a few days to stop the attack thats fine by me as long as my info is secure.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#92 - 2013-06-03 19:42:42 UTC
Ekhss Nihilo wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.

Totally with the OP on this. The entitlement crowd needs to back off and enjoy the incredible universe that CCP has put in front of us.



Agreed.

It is one thing when they royally b0rked the launcher, but this was outside their influence. NO FREE SP!

Twitch streamer and EVE NT tournament broadcaster.

Josef Djugashvilis
#93 - 2013-06-03 19:43:39 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Winterblink wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.

You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?


If there are people who'd vote for this guy in any kind of election, i bet there are people who'd ddos a game for the 'benefits'.


Forgive my ignorance, who is he?

This is not a signature.

Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-06-03 19:44:10 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Winterblink wrote:
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.

You seriously think that someone would do a DDoS for 50k skill points?


If there are people who'd vote for this guy in any kind of election, i bet there are people who'd ddos a game for the 'benefits'.


same goes for this one
Jacob Muvila
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-06-03 19:46:25 UTC
Captian Darknipples wrote:
I lost a days worth of game play from no fault of my own. CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play. This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time. All you suck ups can stop trying to speak for the rest of us. I especially get a kick out of you studs that make it a point to sign your name after every reply...Seriously get over yourself.



Yeah they think they are going to get some kind of a door prize or good standings with CCP.
Without compensation they will lose money over this.
I know one of my accounts will expire because I was unable to log on to make the ISK to plex it this weekend.
Has nothing to do with RAGE or QQ. I was unable to log on and make my isk.
So this month the account will have to wait a week or so to plex up.
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#96 - 2013-06-03 19:47:25 UTC
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.


I agree, what is done is done, lets not make it profitable...
floating in space
#97 - 2013-06-03 19:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: floating in space
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

CCP deserve credit for how well they handled the situation providing updates.


They delivered 3 sets of short messages via twitter split into 2-3 messages each (total of 7) over 18 hours.

What world am I living in where this is praiseworthy? I mean come on... wth
Julius Rigel
#98 - 2013-06-03 19:52:26 UTC
Captian Darknipples wrote:
CCP is very punctual on payment due dates, you dont pay exactly within the due time you lose the ability to play.
Yes they are, because the contract you signed says that you owe them that money at that specific time in exchange for playing.

Captian Darknipples wrote:
This being said i will be punctual on requesting compensation for my game time.
Feel free to do so, that is the exact purpose of the petition system. But there is nothing in that contract you signed which states that the publisher owes you any "compensation".

Anyway, I honestly could not care less one way or the other. The only way these skillpoints affect me is having to make another petition to have them moved to another character so they don't clutter my skill sheet.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-06-03 19:55:35 UTC
floating in space wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

CCP deserve credit for how well they handled the situation providing updates.


They delivered 3 sets of short messages via twitter split into 2-3 messages each (total of 7) over 18 hours.

What world am I living in where this is praiseworthy? I mean come on... wth


WTF do you want them to post?

"Working on the unexpected downtime. THank you for your patience."

"Still working on it."

"Found some veldspar in s server fan but removing it didn't fix the problem."

"We found the cause of the problem! Now working to get things straight."

"Things were really not stright. Lots of work still to be done."

"CCP Falcon just hit his pinky toe on a server rack."

""There is now blood all over the floor but the server guy is still fixing stuff. CCP Falcon is being evacuated."

It's not like there was all that much changing while they fix stuff ...
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#100 - 2013-06-03 19:57:13 UTC
Freya Kaundur wrote:
CCP please do not in any form compensate for this attack. do what you can to fix it and defend against them. but giving compensation will just give any shady individual who plays eve the idea that they can send a ddos attack and get free stuff. the vocal few that are crying for free stuff. should realize that compensation would be a bad idea.

again i thank you for protecting our privacy and keeping us in the loop with the situation.



We did get compensated, the game is running again. That is all the compensation I need.

Good work CCP!

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.