Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree, for those that like playing station games, this could be a problem.

Perhaps a 1 hour time on clone swapping then?

Ah, both of your points are valid here but stations games aren't quite played like that.

Many of today's station huggers have their goto ship for station games. Changing clones would be as simple as changing ships. That still gives the person outside the station plenty of time to warp off/deagress. I'm sure someone could severely abuse this mechanic but it won't be game changing if both fighters are of average intelligence.

Furthermore I believe station games relying on implants are isolated incidents. Overall I could see people be more useful amongst their player groups because they can more easily change roles.

Go live in lowsec, its almost impossible to lose your pod unless you lag out at a bad moment or are dumb.

-One clone per station.
-5 hour clone swapping (good enough for fleets and pvp sessions, long enough for nasty surpises/misuse)
-24hr jumping.

for the rest +1

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3058395#post3058395

Your ideas look pretty familiar. Much of these (plus some) covered in the link above.

There are so many ideas floating around regarding clones and jump cloning ranging from minor tweaks to major overhauls. Sure it's worth looking at a revamp of the existing solution in order to encourage a wider variety of game play?

I don't understand your point!

Generally people have "alts" to access different areas of game play. While there is some overlap (like my carrier/dread pilot is also a good BS pilot, which overlaps with my Main that's good at all Subcaps), alts generally don't function as "backup pilots". Furthermore, if you look at any coalition deployment, the combat alts that get "left behind" are a very, very small sub-section of the combat pilots any alliance/coalition fields .

And having stuff at your destination is generally mitigated by any alliance with solid logistics to their staging systems (which they almost all have). Hell, even my small Corp/Alliance has lots of ships/fittings to quickly equip any new person that death clones/JC's to the station and wants to undock and shoot stuff!

And to elaborate my reasons to remove JC'ing, and only have clone swapping. Instant travel will still exist, as you can clone swap, you can switch to an "empty clone", and death clone to a new area of the game. This has two major benefits:

1.) You can't set your clone to just any station. Your Corp needs an office at the destination, or else you are limited to somewhat random destinations that may/may not be near your destination. In nullsec, Corp offices in/near staging systems go at a premium because there is a limited number of Offices in each station. This has major implications to limiting force projection, and makes hitting the clone facility on outposts a major strategical target.

2.) It cost isk to death clone. You then have to upgrade your clone and that's not-negligible cost serves as a reasonable "price" for the risk free instant travel!!! With the swapping ability, you move to an empty clone before death clone, so implants shouldn't be an issue. If you only have blinged out clones, well then you have a strong incentive to fly in space, and I have no sympathy for people that lavishly live outside of their means!!

WTB more community interest in idea for more clones and clone swapping.

:P

But you can magically teleport your soul into another body when you die, right? Unfortunately that logic doesn't really hold any weight. If you can one, you can do the other.

The question isn't really one of lore. It's more a question of what's good for game mechanics. Too often and it'll be abused to hell. To infrequent and it won't be of much use.

Personally, I think they should just have a skill that reduces the time by an hour per level and be done with it. That would mean you wouldn't have the 24 hour creep but it also wouldn't be a whole lot more effective than it is at the moment.

Addendum - I personally only use JCs very infrequently. I tend to just use cov ops or interceptors to move the clone I'm in about as I get fed up with waiting for JC timers. That way I can JC in an emergency. Whilst it would be useful for me if I could jump clone more often (safe moving from A to B, after all) I really don't think it would be good for the game. It reduces the potential for emergent gameplay and allows people to avoid PvP way too easily.