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Fafer
Tr0pa de elite.
#101 - 2013-05-25 01:57:37 UTC
Seldarine wrote:
The NEO prize shirts were an in-game vanity item not real life clothing item.


Oh, I stand corrected, must be also the prize is in-game item http://www.eveiverse.com/items/a_lot_of_money
Cas Mania
We - are peaceful people
#102 - 2013-05-25 02:14:42 UTC
Fafer wrote:
Cas Mania, auction plexes were paid by the teams to enter the tournament. ;)

As for the rest, its simple



All plexes paid during the auction were refunded. No one paid to play, essentially.
Mirkonix
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2013-05-25 12:40:44 UTC
To all

Please if you are not member of teams that expecting prizes, and especially winning team, do not advice what should be done with other people money. CCP is main authority here, and they should inform us about any problems with prize payment, date when prizes should be payed, and if they are not able to give us prizes, propose any other solution that WE are willing to accept. It's not ok if they just say, "hey we screwed up this tourney, here you go few plexes and thats done" I'm not going to accept that.
Boiglio
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-05-26 12:21:44 UTC
Cas Mania wrote:
Fafer wrote:
Cas Mania, auction plexes were paid by the teams to enter the tournament. ;)

As for the rest, its simple



All plexes paid during the auction were refunded. No one paid to play, essentially.


Not that it makes a huge difference in this case, but the quote here is incorrect. All PLEX *above the minimum entry of 10 PLEX per team* were refunded. Every team paid 10 PLEX to enter the NEO.
Cas Mania
We - are peaceful people
#105 - 2013-05-26 20:39:59 UTC
Boiglio wrote:
Cas Mania wrote:
Fafer wrote:
Cas Mania, auction plexes were paid by the teams to enter the tournament. ;)

As for the rest, its simple



All plexes paid during the auction were refunded. No one paid to play, essentially.


Not that it makes a huge difference in this case, but the quote here is incorrect. All PLEX *above the minimum entry of 10 PLEX per team* were refunded. Every team paid 10 PLEX to enter the NEO.


Nope, as a team captain, I know for a fact that 100% of all plexes were refunded. I did not pay 10 plex to play I paid zero.
Boiglio
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-05-26 22:48:03 UTC
Cas Mania wrote:


Nope, as a team captain, I know for a fact that 100% of all plexes were refunded. I did not pay 10 plex to play I paid zero.


That's pretty interesting.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73531

"Now for the teams that paid more than 10 PLEX for their spot. The PLEX entry fee and auction has always existed to make sure that only the most dedicated teams enter and compete to be champions. We obviously have the 27 most dedicated teams in New Eden, and with slots left open it is obvious that the bidding process only served to punish the most enthusiastic teams. As such, any team that spent more than 10 PLEX in the auction will have their excess PLEX refunded to their team captain."

So either 1) you're misremembering, which as I said, not a huge deal 2) Nulli somehow was a special snowflake that was over-reimbursed or 3) CCP has delayed so long on the prize payments for the winners, that they've allowed us time to figure out that they owe 8CAS 10 PLEX. I suppose the fourth option is that Nopolar's been holding out on us, but that seems unlikely since he's the one that drew the short straw and was forced to attend the auction in the first place. CAS tends to go by the adage of "only grant control of your affairs to those who are reluctant to accept it, and then only under conditions that increase that reluctance."

Back to the topic at hand: CCP, pay the people. You also might want to change CCP Dolan's original post at the top of this to reflect what's actually happening with the situation. If you guys are so swamped that you can't keep up with what are frankly pretty basic workflow tasks, stop being such tightwads and hire more help. Honestly, could have hired a temp worker for one week and saved so much hassle and not-best customer perception.

~Boiglio, expecting her tshirt Cool
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#107 - 2013-05-27 18:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nikuno
Boiglio wrote:
Cas Mania wrote:


Nope, as a team captain, I know for a fact that 100% of all plexes were refunded. I did not pay 10 plex to play I paid zero.


That's pretty interesting.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73531

"Now for the teams that paid more than 10 PLEX for their spot. The PLEX entry fee and auction has always existed to make sure that only the most dedicated teams enter and compete to be champions. We obviously have the 27 most dedicated teams in New Eden, and with slots left open it is obvious that the bidding process only served to punish the most enthusiastic teams. As such, any team that spent more than 10 PLEX in the auction will have their excess PLEX refunded to their team captain."

So either 1) you're misremembering, which as I said, not a huge deal 2) Nulli somehow was a special snowflake that was over-reimbursed or 3) CCP has delayed so long on the prize payments for the winners, that they've allowed us time to figure out that they owe 8CAS 10 PLEX. I suppose the fourth option is that Nopolar's been holding out on us, but that seems unlikely since he's the one that drew the short straw and was forced to attend the auction in the first place. CAS tends to go by the adage of "only grant control of your affairs to those who are reluctant to accept it, and then only under conditions that increase that reluctance."

Back to the topic at hand: CCP, pay the people. You also might want to change CCP Dolan's original post at the top of this to reflect what's actually happening with the situation. If you guys are so swamped that you can't keep up with what are frankly pretty basic workflow tasks, stop being such tightwads and hire more help. Honestly, could have hired a temp worker for one week and saved so much hassle and not-best customer perception.

~Boiglio, expecting her tshirt Cool


The 10 plex not refunded by ccp was paid back to each team captain by Somerblink as a general sponsorship of the tourney (ie one that did not qualify for the plex payment to team sponsors from prize allocations)
Ophelia Aivoras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-05-27 19:52:21 UTC
Nikuno wrote:
[quote=Boiglio]
The 10 plex not refunded by ccp was paid back to each team captain by Somerblink as a general sponsorship of the tourney (ie one that did not qualify for the plex payment to team sponsors from prize allocations)


But CCP still got their 270 plexes as entrance fees, didn't they? and i mean plexes aren't just isks. If someone invested real money to get these plexes for the entrance, getting back isks is not a real refund
Boiglio
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2013-05-27 20:09:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Boiglio
Nikuno wrote:

The 10 plex not refunded by ccp was paid back to each team captain by Somerblink as a general sponsorship of the tourney (ie one that did not qualify for the plex payment to team sponsors from prize allocations)


Completely separate issue, and separate mechanism of delivery (and much appreciated!) from the PLEX for entry. I'm relatively sure that CCP did not take those 270 PLEX, hand them to SomerBlink, and ask that they be distributed as part of the isk funds donated.

I know our team did a much better job budgeting for ships and fittings than we did for clones. Because of the tight turnaround times of matches in the NEO, it wasn't always possible to set up multiple tournament clones for different fleet compositions. The isk from SomerBlink made that realization a little less painful as I was ripping hardwirings out of my head, only to have to re-purchase the same ones later that day. Blink And hey, the idea of reduced timers for jump clones is again heating up--making this observation not only timely, but remotely relevant! \o/

To bring this back to the matter at hand: I've heard similar sentiments to what Cas Mania has shared expressed before about the relationship between CCP and eve tournaments--that the vast majority of people at CCP consider them to be a very low priority and that there are a few people on the inside working to change that. I hope that CCP realizes that something as visible and on-display to your customer base as well as potential customers is worth committing enough resources to, beginning to end, to show Eve & CCP in its best light. Guys, it's *bad* to not have some basic, considerate, informative PR going on to resolve this situation quickly and in a manner that respects the people affected most--your customers to whom you promised payment in February. In a very real sense the NEO is unfinished until this situation is resolved--and all of us, not just the winners, are left wondering if you are unwilling to commit the resources needed to resolve this, or if it is being resolved and you are just not bothering to let stakeholders know. I find it baffling, frankly, that this situation is still ongoing. Please reconsider your approach, resolve this quickly, and communicate clearly.

Looking forward to not only the techie stuff evolving in future tournaments, but the processes and communications improving too. Cool

Always,

Boiglio
Cas Mania
We - are peaceful people
#110 - 2013-05-27 21:18:33 UTC
Boiglio wrote:
Cas Mania wrote:


Nope, as a team captain, I know for a fact that 100% of all plexes were refunded. I did not pay 10 plex to play I paid zero.


That's pretty interesting.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73531

"Now for the teams that paid more than 10 PLEX for their spot. The PLEX entry fee and auction has always existed to make sure that only the most dedicated teams enter and compete to be champions. We obviously have the 27 most dedicated teams in New Eden, and with slots left open it is obvious that the bidding process only served to punish the most enthusiastic teams. As such, any team that spent more than 10 PLEX in the auction will have their excess PLEX refunded to their team captain."

So either 1) you're misremembering, which as I said, not a huge deal 2) Nulli somehow was a special snowflake that was over-reimbursed or 3) CCP has delayed so long on the prize payments for the winners, that they've allowed us time to figure out that they owe 8CAS 10 PLEX. I suppose the fourth option is that Nopolar's been holding out on us, but that seems unlikely since he's the one that drew the short straw and was forced to attend the auction in the first place. CAS tends to go by the adage of "only grant control of your affairs to those who are reluctant to accept it, and then only under conditions that increase that reluctance."

Back to the topic at hand: CCP, pay the people. You also might want to change CCP Dolan's original post at the top of this to reflect what's actually happening with the situation. If you guys are so swamped that you can't keep up with what are frankly pretty basic workflow tasks, stop being such tightwads and hire more help. Honestly, could have hired a temp worker for one week and saved so much hassle and not-best customer perception.

~Boiglio, expecting her tshirt Cool


Thinking back it is quite possible that we only got 26 plex back instead of 36, since I didn't get the refud via contract, I cannot say for sure. I cannot find the chat logs of that particular event either. While I am still 90% I got the full 36 plex back, I am willing to be wrong.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#111 - 2013-05-28 11:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Nikuno
Cas Mania wrote:
Boiglio wrote:
Cas Mania wrote:


Nope, as a team captain, I know for a fact that 100% of all plexes were refunded. I did not pay 10 plex to play I paid zero.


That's pretty interesting.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73531

"Now for the teams that paid more than 10 PLEX for their spot. The PLEX entry fee and auction has always existed to make sure that only the most dedicated teams enter and compete to be champions. We obviously have the 27 most dedicated teams in New Eden, and with slots left open it is obvious that the bidding process only served to punish the most enthusiastic teams. As such, any team that spent more than 10 PLEX in the auction will have their excess PLEX refunded to their team captain."

So either 1) you're misremembering, which as I said, not a huge deal 2) Nulli somehow was a special snowflake that was over-reimbursed or 3) CCP has delayed so long on the prize payments for the winners, that they've allowed us time to figure out that they owe 8CAS 10 PLEX. I suppose the fourth option is that Nopolar's been holding out on us, but that seems unlikely since he's the one that drew the short straw and was forced to attend the auction in the first place. CAS tends to go by the adage of "only grant control of your affairs to those who are reluctant to accept it, and then only under conditions that increase that reluctance."

Back to the topic at hand: CCP, pay the people. You also might want to change CCP Dolan's original post at the top of this to reflect what's actually happening with the situation. If you guys are so swamped that you can't keep up with what are frankly pretty basic workflow tasks, stop being such tightwads and hire more help. Honestly, could have hired a temp worker for one week and saved so much hassle and not-best customer perception.

~Boiglio, expecting her tshirt Cool


Thinking back it is quite possible that we only got 26 plex back instead of 36, since I didn't get the refud via contract, I cannot say for sure. I cannot find the chat logs of that particular event either. While I am still 90% I got the full 36 plex back, I am willing to be wrong.


You got 26 back from ccp, then 10 donated by somerblink. So you got 36 back, but 10 of those were outside ccp. So it cost you nothing if you look at it that way, but ccp was still paid 10 plex per entrant. Hence we did pay ccp to allow us to enter this tournament. Alternatively you could look at it that if ccp had given a full plex refund then you you should have been 10 plex richer than before you paid your entry fee due to the generosity of somerblink, rather than at break even.

And I still have not received either money or email. My faith in Loxy's intervention is waning.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#112 - 2013-05-28 11:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Buhhdust Princess
I got paid 3 days ago.

I'm already poor.

...What I'd do for £44. :P
Jassmin Joy
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#113 - 2013-05-28 12:46:22 UTC
i totally forgot about this.
DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#114 - 2013-05-28 13:28:57 UTC
Jassmin Joy wrote:
i totally forgot about this.



I think that was what they were hoping for jass 8)
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#115 - 2013-05-28 13:33:07 UTC
Btw I realised I nearly wrote a Haiku.

Then realised, actually I hadn't.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#116 - 2013-05-28 17:56:17 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
I got paid 3 days ago.

I'm already poor.

...What I'd do for £44. :P


Paid by CCP? or from other gainful employment?
Thelonious Blake
Miles Research and Development
#117 - 2013-05-31 22:28:12 UTC
Bump because the guys deserve their prizes.

If CCP had honor they'd give the money from their own pocket.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#118 - 2013-06-03 10:24:17 UTC
Paid by CCP ofc!

Bumping this because, yeah.
Guados
Everyone vs Everything
#119 - 2013-06-03 17:24:27 UTC
Still nothing,LOL. Bump

2nd in NEW EDEN OPEN TOURNAMENT My PvP Channel : http://www.youtube.com/user/Guadossss
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#120 - 2013-06-03 19:35:09 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Paid by CCP ofc!

Bumping this because, yeah.


No money, no email. Still a great big nada.