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How many people really cared about a new launcher and Single Sign On?
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#21 - 2013-06-02 08:24:15 UTC
Its one step closer to swapping characters without logging out.

The BSOD the first time I ran it was a nice touch.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Khorisha Achat
Khanid Commodities
#22 - 2013-06-02 08:25:23 UTC
Basicly the new Launcher could be a good thing but it seems like it is still in Beta. I mean, why can't we save preferences like screen resolution, graphics details, sound preferences and stuff to the account? New launcher should be able to do so but by now it's just annoying cause you only can use one client to run eve (instead of several clients with several setting files).

Also, why's there no option to log in multiple accounts? Players use several accounts since forever and then you get a new Launcher where you log in but still you need to change accounts? C'mon CCP you can do better.
Uropyga
Star of Doom
#23 - 2013-06-02 08:29:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

So out of the approx 450,000 accounts how many complained.. 20, 50, maybe 100?

Where did you get these numbers?

With all these launcher issues I wonder how CCP wants to release major patch like "Odyssey" on schedule?
Shian Yang
#24 - 2013-06-02 08:40:07 UTC
Greetings capsuleer Scalpel,

I agree. The new protocols Concord has imposed for downloading to a pod and undocking is simply too cumbersome, unwieldy and provide far too little benefits. I have no desire to even watch the orbital mechanics of a ship in hanger.

Regards,

Capsuleer Yang
Nanami Enpei
Shinden Shorai
#25 - 2013-06-02 08:44:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Nanami Enpei
Rusty Scalpel wrote:


My question to the players, how important was it to have a new launcher, do you believe it was worth all the effort CCP put into it? How important was having a single sign on to the CCP websites?


Dunno if it was worth the effort for ccp. But i liked the old launcher more. And with these login issues... i would warmly welcome the old one back. (Still have to rely on the old one during such downtimes)

Rusty Scalpel wrote:

Myself personally, already bypassed the launcher to speed up log in, only used it for updating when needed. The new one, OMG is it ever slow. Thankfully can still bypass it, would have to gouge my eyeballs out if I was "required" to use it logging in on my accounts.


Havent experienced an slower login with the new launcher, but the new one dont remembers my accountnames and to type everyone is very... argh.

@Prince Kobol:

When do people ever realize, that only a very small portion of an community is taking part in forums? So even if only 20 complain ... its still a good number.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-06-02 08:59:18 UTC
Rusty Scalpel wrote:
Part of what I do IRL is managing resources and manpower. 90% of the decision making is based on customer requests and requirements. We wouldn't be in business otherwise.

My question to the players, how important was it to have a new launcher, do you believe it was worth all the effort CCP put into it? How important was having a single sign on to the CCP websites?

Myself personally, already bypassed the launcher to speed up log in, only used it for updating when needed. The new one, OMG is it ever slow. Thankfully can still bypass it, would have to gouge my eyeballs out if I was "required" to use it logging in on my accounts.

Single sign on. seriously? Maybe once every few months I need to log into a EVE website. Like tonight to vent on the forums. Anyone at CCP care to comment on the investment made for this single sign on? Betting it was a huge chunk of change.

You want to improve the game? Get into the game. Have your developers in the game actually playing it as players to look for new ideas. Anything outside the sandbox, does not matter to players. at least that's my opinion.

Players aren't interested in the packaging the game is in.



The launcher in it's current state does not save me any time considering my particular logging habits.

However, it's only mildly irritating until I consider the time and money spent to accomplish a step backwards. Perhaps in a few more years the launcher will become a benefit.

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Oraac Ensor
#27 - 2013-06-02 09:04:42 UTC
I am cautiously looking forward to the time when I can experience the new launcher so that I can express an opinion.
SlapNuts
Lost Wacko's
#28 - 2013-06-02 09:12:05 UTC
All I know is the new launcher screwed the Linux comminity.

The laucher works for about 1% maybe 2% of linux users and thats not 100% of the time. I guess it is no big deal to ccp since linux is not supported anymore because they dropped the linux version for a Mac version...

Only real way to get eve working is to bypass the launcher all together making this new feature useless to us.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2013-06-02 09:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
I can see the idea behind the launcher, could be a good one. But there are many, many what ifs to go yet.

I do think however, the way they went about this was completely wrong. Harping back to the inventory and CQ debacle. We again had feedback in the sisi forum, only for it to be ignored and pushed out anyway. Followed with sincere apologies and we are listening statements.

As and until this bloatware reaches the same easy login situation the bin folder allows, the bin folder option should remain open. I would even go as far as officially giving us that option in the setup. But I doubt this will ever happen, as it moves away from their goals.

As far as the themed expansion screen goes. At one time this was a lot smaller. Smaller in fact than the new launcher is. Which I feel is rather ironic that we are stepping back to that size. There was quite a bit of outcry at the time that it was becoming full screen size and tbh, it never did feel right to me even now. But it's removal is a sad passing, but I guess many of the new Devs just don't have that emotional attachment some of us feel.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Josef Djugashvilis
#30 - 2013-06-02 09:19:49 UTC
I agree that the 'player base' was not and is not clamouring for a new launcher.

It is the problems with the new launcher, not 'a new launcher per se' that is the issue.

Who would really care if the new launcher was problem free?

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Demoneta Adama
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-02 09:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Demoneta Adama
The short story is as a customer the launcher gives me nothing but grief, and while I can now easily launch with my new .exe shortcut. Setting that up will be another 3 paragraphs of straight up boring technical reading a new player will have to do , before they can enjoy the game. That's on top of the already required 2 and a half yrs. of straight up boring reading that is the eve learning curve. That being sad CCP has always done what they want regardless of how players feel, and I doubt that's changing.

EDIT: And that's not to say CCP has not made strides in hearing players, the CSM alone is pretty revolutionary for that, they just hear them then say ok, we understand what your saying, but we like it our way, now shut up and play or leave
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#32 - 2013-06-02 09:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
I'm trying to find away around the launcher. It's realy anoying the way it is.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#33 - 2013-06-02 09:38:08 UTC
I like SSO for browser based stuff, not sure if it's necessary to have the client login associated with the browser based logins though.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#34 - 2013-06-02 09:40:58 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I'm trying to find away around the launcher. It's realy anoying the way it is.

Type password, press enter. I'm not sure how people are having trouble with that. If you're switching account, just select the account you want, press tab, type the password and press enter.

It would be nice if it saved passwords though. People say it's a security thing, but isn't typing your password also a security issue if you've got a keylogger somehow?

Oh god.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#35 - 2013-06-02 09:45:24 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I'm trying to find away around the launcher. It's realy anoying the way it is.

Type password, press enter. I'm not sure how people are having trouble with that. If you're switching account, just select the account you want, press tab, type the password and press enter.

It would be nice if it saved passwords though. People say it's a security thing, but isn't typing your password also a security issue if you've got a keylogger somehow?


Pressing enter on my comp doesn't seem to work, it's slow, launching the game take ages for some reason (compared to the old way) and so on. So yeah I am having issues with the new laucher.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-02 09:47:22 UTC
Single sign in is a usefull thing to have

The new launcher is absolutely terrible, its slow and replaces something that worked absolutely fine.
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-06-02 09:49:44 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
[quote=Nevyn Auscent]
Yes, I am sure the marketing people at Coke when they introduced New Coke thought something similar.


New Coke was a fail of historic proportion...I don't think the EvE launcher quite meets that mark.
Dave Stark
#38 - 2013-06-02 09:50:34 UTC
the launcher itself is a completely redundant feature.
Demoneta Adama
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-02 09:50:51 UTC
Azrael Dinn wrote:
I'm trying to find away around the launcher. It's realy anoying the way it is.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238145&find=unread
Maraner
The Executioners
#40 - 2013-06-02 09:59:01 UTC
Sorry dont like it at all.

As usual ignored the feedback. Takes longer to log in. Pain in the ass and it appears to be causing lots of people problems getting in to the game.

Winner

the only certainty is that it wont be rolled back and that CCP will repeat this type of failure in the future. So pissed off by this that I can't even get angry any more.
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