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Being a declared a spy in FW
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Klu Rizen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-01 14:20:53 UTC
I was recently booted from GHIOT and branded a spy by the Caldari militia. Understandably, this is EVE and anything can happen, but I'd like to believe that calmil should base their decisions on concrete evidence and logical reasoning. For this, I demand a proper trial before being branded a spy!

What are the accusations on which this decision was made?

I invite you to examine my kill mails:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1165565

Awoxer? I haven't killed a single calmil. Informant for qcats? Unlikely, unless chatgris likes giving away solo kills.

I'm a casual player with low sp, but I've flown with killer, mayhem, khan and others who were FC. Chime up if you've seen evidence of my espionage.

Please, renew my faith in the calmil! After all, if we can't even differentiate the honorable from the spies, what kind of leadership do we have?

Klu
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-01 14:55:13 UTC
In Calmil everyone else is a spy, including yourself.

I like to joke about it and call everyone a spy. People seem to believe it.

When you have an old character that tends to stay with corps longer than 6 months and does not get donations from a main. Then you have a higher probability not being called a spy.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2013-06-01 15:49:03 UTC
In Eve, the word spy does not mean the same as outside of Eve.
Combatevolved wrote:
In Calmil everyone else is a spy, including yourself...

Expand it to all of FW as the same is true in the other three militias, everyone is a spy until he/she/it can prove otherwise. This isn't some pansy-ass judicial system based on convoluted moral exercises like "reasonable cause" and "benefit of doubt" but the law of the wild/jungle .. if you can't prove your worth to the collective through your actions then you are assumed to be acting against the well being of the whole.

Suppose there could be introduced a whole range of accusations such as "waste of biomatter", "learning retention of a Dodo" or "as reliable as a granite stone used as a floatation device", but why bother when it all comes down to you not being wanted .. you got the generic sticker of "SPY!" and was kicked, be thankful that it wasn't expanded upon Big smile
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#4 - 2013-06-01 15:58:25 UTC
just make a new char and try again
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#5 - 2013-06-01 16:17:08 UTC
It is quite funny really, especially given how easy it was to get spy alts in basically every major corp in the enemy militia (and a few allied ones to boot *cough*).

For all the daft paranoia surrounding general militia scrubs both in fleet and in recruitment you'd be surprised how easy it is to weazl your way into positions of influence with the enemy :)
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#6 - 2013-06-01 16:33:13 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It is quite funny really, especially given how easy it was to get spy alts in basically every major corp in the enemy militia (and a few allied ones to boot *cough*).

For all the daft paranoia surrounding general militia scrubs both in fleet and in recruitment you'd be surprised how easy it is to weazl your way into positions of influence with the enemy :)

yeah lets talk about weazling out of arzad

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#7 - 2013-06-01 17:02:03 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It is quite funny really, especially given how easy it was to get spy alts in basically every major corp in the enemy militia (and a few allied ones to boot *cough*).

For all the daft paranoia surrounding general militia scrubs both in fleet and in recruitment you'd be surprised how easy it is to weazl your way into positions of influence with the enemy :)

yeah lets talk about weazling out of arzad


*shrugs*

Not relevant to us at all, we left FW months ago.

Getting back to the point of the thread though, there are plenty of ways to sneak into FW corps while they have their attention focused on nonexistent security threats elsewhere. Using your current name is probably a bad idea, rolling a new character and getting creative with the API would serve you much better
Random Mintard CEO
The 24th Tribal Liberation Farce
#8 - 2013-06-01 18:17:27 UTC
I was branded a spy too Sad
ok thats it guys... that does it for me :( everybody thinks im spy, i cannot take so much grief. im quitting this game and giving away all my isk, for only 1 trit Tritanium (Item Exchange) you can have all my isk and be happy in EVE
you should quit too
Minmatar Bomber Alt
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-01 18:21:49 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
It is quite funny really, especially given how easy it was to get spy alts in basically every major corp in the enemy militia (and a few allied ones to boot *cough*).

For all the daft paranoia surrounding general militia scrubs both in fleet and in recruitment you'd be surprised how easy it is to weazl your way into positions of influence with the enemy :)

yeah lets talk about weazling out of arzad



yeah lets talk about spy's in arzad. and easy it is to influence a major corporate to leave the zone. or loose a ship worth billions of isk
Shadow Adanza
Mercantile Federation
#10 - 2013-06-01 19:29:22 UTC
Welcome to Caldari Militia.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Klu Rizen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-02 01:49:10 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Welcome to Caldari Militia.


Don't get me wrong, I love the drama of being declared a spy and would be happy to fulfill the role. My point is I'm surprised that calmil leadership can make such twitch decisions without real evidence. It doesn't build confidence in the militia as a whole. Am I a witch? That guy said I was, so now I am.

Woe to the player who invests real time and money to calmil! One day leadership may just declare you a spy and your "friendships" were as meaningless as last night's one night stand.

I've said my say. I await actual evidence. Either way, I'll play Eve the way I want, even with the curve balls.

Klu
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#12 - 2013-06-02 04:21:32 UTC
Klu Rizen wrote:
I was recently booted from GHIOT and branded a spy by the Caldari militia. Understandably, this is EVE and anything can happen, but I'd like to believe that calmil should base their decisions on concrete evidence and logical reasoning. For this, I demand a proper trial before being branded a spy!

What are the accusations on which this decision was made?

I invite you to examine my kill mails:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1165565

Awoxer? I haven't killed a single calmil. Informant for qcats? Unlikely, unless chatgris likes giving away solo kills.

I'm a casual player with low sp, but I've flown with killer, mayhem, khan and others who were FC. Chime up if you've seen evidence of my espionage.

Please, renew my faith in the calmil! After all, if we can't even differentiate the honorable from the spies, what kind of leadership do we have?

Klu



To be honest everyone gets called a spy. I can't even log onto QCATS comms without being called a spy.


There was a stint about killer being a spy a few months back, but anyone with some reasoning to them demanded to see the evidence that the accusers claimed they had against killer, but they refused to reveal their sources, so that did not get much momentum and people continued to fly with killer (on the condition that maybe he should welp fleets just a little bit less Big smile).


If you are not a spy and your corp kicked you, forget them and fly with another cal mil corp that doesn't wear as many tinfoil hats. If you are a spy and your corp kicked you, forget them since the jigg is up and spy on another cal mil corp. Big smile
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#13 - 2013-06-02 05:06:52 UTC
Tinfoils is EXTRA EXTRA tight in calmil Lol

Don't know for the life of me why though. Come fly with us for a bit and killed lots! Thats what I do. Shocked

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#14 - 2013-06-02 05:28:10 UTC
So, how would you like to actually be a spy.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2013-06-02 05:40:46 UTC
Confirming that everyone in militia (any militia) is a spai. Even me. And I often spai on myself. And spai on that spai!

SPAIS ERRWHAR!!!

How did you Veterans start?
Shadow Adanza
Mercantile Federation
#16 - 2013-06-02 06:30:26 UTC
Klu Rizen wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Welcome to Caldari Militia.


Woe to the player who invests real time and money to calmil! One day leadership may just declare you a spy and your "friendships" were as meaningless as last night's one night stand.


Klu

I'm sure they would call me a spy if I were to ever join Caldari Militia seeings how I've been Gallente Militia my entire career (not counting QCats time representing Minmatar, of course) and have made known my intention to stay Gallente for my entire career. :)

It does seem rather silly. If I had to guess, they probably disagreed with you for one reason or another and were looking for an excuse. Could always join Amarr if you still like fighting us. They seem like pretty good chaps.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#17 - 2013-06-02 14:43:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
The whole FW spy is over rated.

I had a squid toon in cal mil intel channels for close to a year and ended up pulling that toon out of cal mil (and using it for something useful) just due to the fact that squid intel sucked. Lol

Though, seeing your enemy talk about you can be amusing at times Lol

Edit - The only spying that is worth a damn in FW is for cap usage (which is relatively rare - though not uncommon)....and even then, the smart corps using them will keep it secret from even those within corp/militia until drop time... Most everything else can be gained from just half-way decent inter-corp communication within militia.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#18 - 2013-06-03 09:17:12 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
Klu Rizen wrote:
I was recently booted from GHIOT and branded a spy by the Caldari militia. Understandably, this is EVE and anything can happen, but I'd like to believe that calmil should base their decisions on concrete evidence and logical reasoning. For this, I demand a proper trial before being branded a spy!

What are the accusations on which this decision was made?

I invite you to examine my kill mails:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1165565

Awoxer? I haven't killed a single calmil. Informant for qcats? Unlikely, unless chatgris likes giving away solo kills.

I'm a casual player with low sp, but I've flown with killer, mayhem, khan and others who were FC. Chime up if you've seen evidence of my espionage.

Please, renew my faith in the calmil! After all, if we can't even differentiate the honorable from the spies, what kind of leadership do we have?

Klu



To be honest everyone gets called a spy. I can't even log onto QCATS comms without being called a spy.


There was a stint about killer being a spy a few months back, but anyone with some reasoning to them demanded to see the evidence that the accusers claimed they had against killer, but they refused to reveal their sources, so that did not get much momentum and people continued to fly with killer (on the condition that maybe he should welp fleets just a little bit less Big smile).


If you are not a spy and your corp kicked you, forget them and fly with another cal mil corp that doesn't wear as many tinfoil hats. If you are a spy and your corp kicked you, forget them since the jigg is up and spy on another cal mil corp. Big smile







You should clarify.

One toon with Killer in the name wasn't a spy.
Another one was.

Big smile



https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#19 - 2013-06-03 10:04:36 UTC
Klu Rizen wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Welcome to Caldari Militia.


Don't get me wrong, I love the drama of being declared a spy and would be happy to fulfill the role. My point is I'm surprised that calmil leadership can make such twitch decisions without real evidence. It doesn't build confidence in the militia as a whole. Am I a witch? That guy said I was, so now I am.

Woe to the player who invests real time and money to calmil! One day leadership may just declare you a spy and your "friendships" were as meaningless as last night's one night stand.

I've said my say. I await actual evidence. Either way, I'll play Eve the way I want, even with the curve balls.

Klu


Who cares what you really are, but thank you for all of use letting know that you are spy, when you got booted from corp only some of the militia knew that, now whole EVE can see it.

Most of militia people are so useless that every reason is to valid to kick them.

Make yourself worth to have in some corp, before that you are just one of the spies.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#20 - 2013-06-03 15:12:17 UTC
Klu Rizen wrote:
I was recently booted from GHIOT and branded a spy by the Caldari militia. Understandably, this is EVE and anything can happen, but I'd like to believe that calmil should base their decisions on concrete evidence and logical reasoning. For this, I demand a proper trial before being branded a spy!

What are the accusations on which this decision was made?

I invite you to examine my kill mails:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1165565

Awoxer? I haven't killed a single calmil. Informant for qcats? Unlikely, unless chatgris likes giving away solo kills.

I'm a casual player with low sp, but I've flown with killer, mayhem, khan and others who were FC. Chime up if you've seen evidence of my espionage.

Please, renew my faith in the calmil! After all, if we can't even differentiate the honorable from the spies, what kind of leadership do we have?

Klu


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