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Yes, thats the entire point. To get the respawn at ever shifting times so there is always a chance that when you log in there will be ice.

And an issue is a large fraction of the time there will not be ice. So what do you do? Sit there and wait for the spawn? That's even more engaging gameplay than ice mining.

Mine something else?

I suppose systems like KINO, with 2 ice fields currently, will be a hotspot of activity in Odyssey. Should be twice as many ice anomalies as systems currently sporting single ice fields -- thus, perhaps, less waiting.

IIRC, there is at least two systems out there with 3 ice fields -- but since most people CBA'd to make a serious study of star maps, or resources like DOTLAN, those maps might as well say "Here Be Dragons".

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CVA lets other smaller alliances come in to there space and mine unmolested?

There are no roaming gangs in Providence that will take advantages of the changes to grav sites to easily find and destroy any mining ops that attempt to operate there?

Is Providence a NRDS region? We all know how well those work out.

oh without a doubt, but if the "chance of logging in when one is spawned" is the issue, then this is the solution.

The current rate of clearing for one high sec belt is more or less 30mins.I can tell you one thing you won't see much ice sellers soon.Its actually more pain to mine ice than before more and more people are thinking of returning to ore mining.

Fair point, but the cost of doing business doesn't mean it's not worth doing. I have no problem with paying freighter pilots to do a good job. I like employing freighter pilots to work for me. It's the option that works for me, because I don't have perfect standings everywhere either.

More importantly, I don't have the time. True story.

YMMV.

Give it a couple weeks , most of the miners will be gone.

Why is it that gankers do not under stand that the easier it is to find and gank miners, the less profit the miners can make, when profit goes down the miners will leave. They are not combat pilots looking for a fight, they are workers punching a clock, that will complain if their working conditions become more hazardous.

This is the biggest reason why low sec was empty for so long. Most area's still are. Anyone who dared go there got jumped by over whelming force. Players stopped going there. Then the pirates came on the forums and complained they had no targets. If you kill carebears, or even nullbears, repeatedly, they will leave. They do not enjoy getting ganked, and will not put up with it for an extended period of time. If you want targets that will keep coming back for more, than go fight other PVPers. it really is that simple.

That would only be true if every miner mined at the same time before the change. The only ones hit hard by this will be the bots out mining 23/7. The average ICE miner will mine for 30 minutes, equal to 1 hour of mining the old way, and then go mine rocks, or do something else. The miners who mined on average for more than 1 hour per day, will be offset by additional miners showing up while the belts are up.

CCP has stated that high sec will still be able to supply 80% of the demand. I read somewhere that before the change 98% of racial isotopes were mined in high sec. That is still only about 18% reduction, not the 75% your are assuming. For your numbers to be true, every miner who now shows up to mine in that 30 minutes would have had to be mining for a full 4 hours before the change for every belt they spend 30 minutes in now. This is not the case, ICE mining was not that popular before. I was often the only fleet in an ICE belt when I mined ICE before. Now I see 10-15 other miners in every ICE belt I mine in. The ICE mined will be almost the same, just condensed into smaller windows.

I don't know where you mine but Citidel, Lonetrek and forge have tons of miners. I have never seen an ice belt with less than 20 people sitting in it (except very late at night).

We will see.