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Yes. Because your original premise is flawed.

There is no "exploit" or "abuse" of the bounty system because...

- you can't reliably designate people good or bad on a mechanical level. People find ways to be bad without breaking any rules (so there is really no point to putting arbitrary restrictions on bounties).

- bounties do [still] mean something both literally and figuratively... it means someone dislikes someone else enough to put a reward up for their destruction and you can get an extra bit of cash for destroying that person (all that is wrong here are your perceptions on what the "Wanted" sign should mean).

- "good" and "bad" are relative... as is everything else (again... there really is no point to putting arbitrary restrictions on bounties because what you consider a "stupid" reason for placing a bounty another person might consider perfectly legitimate).

- the merc market is still thriving. Check out Crime and Punishment subforum sometime.

Hence this thread and my attempt to have an actual debate about the bounty system.

(... Thanks for the major on your post AFTER I responded to it)

Your counter argument is reasonable and much appreciated. I will give it some thought.

Again... Incorrect, I was referring to you not comprehending my multiple previous post talking about the mercs and the morph of the discussion of the thread....


You only want 'extreme details' so you can pick them apart for flaws without trying to be objective (I am trying to be objective, you're not.). I'm not going to (nor could anyone) come to a 100% viable solution without asking for input. If you see a hole, why not offer a suggestion? Failing that, we know you hate my idea. That's fine (most people do). Good for you.


If you actually read the thread (and this just proves that you didn't (no more responses for you, sorry.)) you could clearly see that this was not MY idea, and I made it point to say so, I merely liked the idea. Any refinement of details should be done as a combination of ideas from multiple players. No one is going to get anywhere if people can't help others out with refining their ideas. Like I said, it is impossible for a single person to come to something 100% viable without asking for (AND GETTING) input.


You are. Just cause you are on the side of defending the existing system... Doesn't mean you aren't deciding. It IS the responsibility of the player base, Hence this forum.


I'm just getting sick of answer things over and over and having to rephrase thing specifically so you can comprehend them. How about before you click post, you click preview and scroll through the thread. Just a thought... Or do I need to tell you how to use more than one tab in your browser, and what browser to use, and what a tab is?

Thank you for your time (believe it or not, it is appreciated), though you get no more of mine.
Why? You proved to me you did not read the entire thread.

Please refer to post #27. and the following statement
"it's your idea. isn't it down to you to flesh it out?"

Spite?

People gave me a bounty for many reasons, none because I am bad or was bad to them. Some thought my bounty to low so they helped it out. Others as a show of support.

I doubt any isk in my bounty is spiteful nor did I commit any crimes to achieve it.

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Just out of common curtosy, I will reply to you one last time, unless you rather discuss?
What do YOU think about CONCORD intevention if the contract system was allowed to hirer killers?
Do you even support allowing the contract system to be used to place a bounty on someone? (Which I have always wanted to see, I think the contract system could use a few additions. (Which I will post in the Features & Ideas section in the future.))


Not at all, I just destroyed someone cyno frig just because I can (they had plenty of time to run).

I have left my home constellation and now I'm exploring the more dangerous ares of EvE in an attempt to better relate to the pirate players.

IMO the 'because I can' bounties, should not be part of the same system as the ones that get the top pirate players' faces posted on billboards around the universe.

Also, if a person wants to become the top pirate in the universe. I think they should have to earn it. And WTF! WHY Can I put a bounty on myself? If I had to complain about just one thing, that would be it. It doesn't allow the top pirate pilot to be on the most wanted list. It allows the richest pirate to have his face plastered on the wanted boards if he so chooses.

Common courtesy?

I think the current system, even if it requires a few tweaks, is fine. The tweaks are around the payout percentage and a few other small changes. I can see the attraction somewhat of contract killing, but the question related to concords interaction with an active contract. Yea I do know what I think on this, what are your thoughts?

So fine with them, but not to be in the same system as ones you deem appropriate? Yea we understand that and we completely disagree with this bad premiss.
Please refer to posts #17, #26, #37, #39, #46, #48.

It's by design and remains how it was before the change. If someone wants to waste that much ISK on themselves, so be it. It all adds to the game and promotes more player interaction. Why is that not a good thing?

Shame you couldn't argue with a decent and respectful attitude. But then it seems bad ideas, tend to come from those with bad manners.

Oh and I thought I'd leave this little quote for you. (In what can only be described as a redundant thread.)

Good to know you're still reading my posts though.

OP... don't take Mag personally. He's a logic-fu master second only to Tippa. What you "feel" about a subject or game mechanic is more or less irrelevant to him if you can't back it up with good reasoning. And if you argue with him in the realm of design intent in EVE he will dig up various DEV blogs and posts supporting his stance.

So a sandbox is only a sandbox, when it follows your rules? Sorry, but no. It means even though you are able to use whatever mechanics the game gives you to succeed, then others can use the same or other mechanics of the game, to try and thwart you. The game only ceases to be a sandbox, when you place the restriction on it that you ask for. Then it would become a theme park.

How exactly does placing a bounty on you, abuse the bounty system? What relevance does your sec status have, to the placement of that bounty?
Also how does you having a bounty, constitute harassment? Does it now mean you cannot undock? Does it suddenly stop you using the market, or mine or whatever you do within Eve?

Eve is PvP centric. If you understood this, then you would see why all players should be open to a bounty placement. I can certainly see why you got one.