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Is Mission Farming Still Viable ?

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Miss TechOne
MGTOW Nomads
#1 - 2013-06-01 17:08:01 UTC
Hi all,


I have been away for some time, I wanted to farm some missions I have never been heavily in to missions but it is something I want to do. However I would rather farm missions and put more emphasis on Loyalty Points as it suits what I want to do. I tried to start farming Guristas Extravaganza by reading the Mission Objective I assumed that if if I don't kill Amon Kuzni(highest ranking officer) that I could come back after down time but it completed before that.


"Prevent the Guristas attack by flying to the 5 rendezvous points and destroying a large portion of their forces, including their highest ranking officer." Objective.

If I could ask a couple of questions that would be great ty.


1) What missions are best to farm(incl salvage) woth the above example I could just miss the last room but that would be a big chunk of the profits. Is there an up to date guide for farming.


2) what mission do you farm? (not LP)

3) bonus question - when datacore farming with alts how much do you pull a month passively ?
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#2 - 2013-06-01 18:43:15 UTC
Miss TechOne wrote:
Hi all,


I have been away for some time, I wanted to farm some missions I have never been heavily in to missions but it is something I want to do. However I would rather farm missions and put more emphasis on Loyalty Points as it suits what I want to do. I tried to start farming Guristas Extravaganza by reading the Mission Objective I assumed that if if I don't kill Amon Kuzni(highest ranking officer) that I could come back after down time but it completed before that.


"Prevent the Guristas attack by flying to the 5 rendezvous points and destroying a large portion of their forces, including their highest ranking officer." Objective.

If I could ask a couple of questions that would be great ty.


1) What missions are best to farm(incl salvage) woth the above example I could just miss the last room but that would be a big chunk of the profits. Is there an up to date guide for farming.


2) what mission do you farm? (not LP)

3) bonus question - when datacore farming with alts how much do you pull a month passively ?



I actually made a video on this the other day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_1_v8iVwpg


Anyways, I don't know too much about datacore farming. But, the best type of missions to farm is the blockade, worlds, etc. I find you can get more isk by just sitting down and doing a bunch of missions at once. Then do a clean up with a salvager. (Keep in mind the wrecks will go away after 2 hours)
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Miss TechOne
MGTOW Nomads
#3 - 2013-06-01 19:26:53 UTC
thx for taking the rime to post. I have looked at your video and I think its not what I am looking for as you are explaining the basics, I suppose what I want is what level 4 missions people are farming for bounty and salvage and how they are doing it (i.e. without completing it but getting most profit) the guides I have seen in this respect(trigger objective) have been wrong.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2013-06-01 19:35:38 UTC
the guristas extra completion trigger is actually the first group in the last room, if you want to farm it I suggest just leaving all the battlecruisers alive, you can still kill all the battleships.

the missions I remember farming were, worlds collide*, Angels Extra, Guristas Extra, Recon 1 of 3**, and Enemies Abound. Missions like Damsel used to be full of loot but I don't remember looting it in a while. Dread Pirate Scarlett might be good, but sounds like they might have removed some of the "extra" spawns.

* the WC completion trigger is the close group in the third pocket, you can still kill all the battleships in the last room
** May have farmed for sec status increases more than bounty, still a quick 10 mil

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Rengerel en Distel
#5 - 2013-06-01 20:30:05 UTC
I believe most people nowadays just blitz the missions instead of waiting on DT to reset them. There's a 5(?) mission maximum now, so unless your play time is pretty limited, you're gonna run up against that pretty quick.

I'm not sure how much datacores pull in a month anymore after they nerfed it. It's still passive income once you get set up, but not sure it's worth the time to go collect and sell them.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-06-01 23:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6636
to get the missions you want, go around to all the L4 agents you have standings with, and keep track of how long it's been since you declined a mission from them. it gets confusing, I ended up forgetting to turn in missions here and there, but the system worked.

Dread pirate scarlet. get a high alpha instant damage battleship and pop her in the second pocket--yields a social adaptation implant worth 15M iirc. leave, repeat after downtime

Enemies Abound (out of the faction missions) was good for 40-50 mil in tags and almost as much in salvage (part 4 of 4 iirc, was the most valuable of the 5 parts)

downside: faction standings hit.

upside: nearly 250M for maybe 1-2 hours of gameplay after each downtime, and that was with four or five missions spread through the region. (maybe 2 faction, two non-faction but worth taking instead of declining to re-roll for something better)

if you have more characters in your gang who can accept L4 missions, and you have more time, you could make a bil in a day--4 hours of HARD mission grinding, 6h of relaxed.

in terms of ISK for shooting things, it was SO MUCH that I was happy after three/four missions a day and 250M

this is what I had to show for two days and four hours of gameplay, not including the tags. iirc my noctis would run around with a bil in cargo regularly. "isk per tick" = 600M/4 h

Worlds Collide has a reputation, but it's not very valuable. WC would be best in Ravens, with orca support to refit cruises -> torps after the first pocket. torps in WC is a murder fest

after a while, you end up with enough ISK to mission in a dream team fleet (with alts, if you desire). Golem, a set of Machariels, Rattlesnakes, Nightmares... I had 'em all. 1200dps per ship, undock with whatever combination fits your missions. good times
Miss TechOne
MGTOW Nomads
#7 - 2013-06-02 00:14:37 UTC
I have not come across: Dread pirate scarlet this mission is it a new one ?

I see you mention Machariels and Rattlesnakes would you say these are better than the Tengu then ?


Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2013-06-02 00:23:09 UTC
Miss TechOne wrote:
I have not come across: Dread pirate scarlet this mission is it a new one ?

I see you mention Machariels and Rattlesnakes would you say these are better than the Tengu then ?




It is and they are. A well-fit Machariel murders missions and is generally considered the best "all-around" mission runner. Nightmare does better against Sansha/BR/drones and a Rattlesnake has certain advantages (as does a Navy Dominix). In any case, Tengus are not considered the top of the game at this point, though they are still respectable and nice for blitzing. HAM fits have become surprisingly viable, btw.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-02 00:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme more Cynos
Rain6636 wrote:


Enemies Abound (out of the faction missions) was good for 40-50 mil in tags and almost as much in salvage (part 4 of 4 iirc, was the most valuable of the 5 parts)

downside: faction standings hit.


3/5 = ~ 50 mil in loot, tags and salvage
4/5 = ~ 40 mil
5/5 = ~ 60 mil

Those are average numbers for the whole missions

they are stupidly easy to farm too.

3/5 = leave one frigate in last pocket
4/5 = leave the station alive
5/5 = leave the stargate alive

also:

Zhilia Mann wrote:
Miss TechOne wrote:
I have not come across: Dread pirate scarlet this mission is it a new one ?

I see you mention Machariels and Rattlesnakes would you say these are better than the Tengu then ?




It is and they are. A well-fit Machariel murders missions and is generally considered the best "all-around" mission runner. Nightmare does better against Sansha/BR/drones and a Rattlesnake has certain advantages (as does a Navy Dominix). In any case, Tengus are not considered the top of the game at this point, though they are still respectable and nice for blitzing. HAM fits have become surprisingly viable, btw.


This.

Tengus are meh for missions, unless you need to move a lot. Damage on HM fits is pathetic against anything other than guristas, HAM fits require too much moving for most missions, making them slow overall.
Miss TechOne
MGTOW Nomads
#10 - 2013-06-02 01:44:47 UTC
thx for your response guys this has really helped me
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2013-06-02 02:00:07 UTC
HAM Tengus can get 630 dps @ 75km with Javelin HAMs and 925 dps to 41km with Rage HAMs, which is pretty darn good, it's main problem is being pigeon holed into kinetic.
Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-06-02 02:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6636
I would not solo with a machariel. it can be done, but it takes more skill and it's all about speed. though it's fun watching battleships instapop.

my first solo pick would be a Marauder. second, Rattlesnake (I've never flown a Domi).

Tengus take foreeeeevvverrrr and use a lot of ammo. for missions like Enemies Abound 4/5, you'll fall behind waves.

(i forgot to mention that. Enemies Abound part 4/5 spawns waves by time, not specific triggers and puts out 3000 dps if you let it go out of control. fully spawned targets list and what it does to a rattlesnake<-rescuing a nub alliance member's faction fit raven. that sucked.)

missions previews:
Enemies abound 3/5 and 4/5 are the best of the series. if I received part 5 I just cleared it to open up the agent for new missions.
Pirate Invasion is ok-ish in terms of profit.
Dread Pirate Scarlet <-to farm it, insta pop her at the second gate for the implant, and leave
Guristas Extravaganza the Extravaganza missions were fun. gobs of targets, no real danger, decent profit. fun mission.
Cargo Delivery is nice because targets come to you.
DO NOT SOLO THE ASSAULT. you will be jammed or Tracking disrupted or something, you need at least two ships, because they will ewar, web, and point you.

again, Dread Pirate Scarlet and Enemies Abound was my favorite combo. it's true; leave this station alive for one of them, and leave one frigate alive for the other.

missioning combos, always accompanied by Orca and Noctis:
Golem, Rattlesnake, Basilisk
Nightmare Rattlesnake Basilisk
Machariel Rattlesnake Basilisk
Rattlesnake Rattlesnake Rattlesnake (remote rep, no-brainer missioning. if I didn't feel like thinking, or refitting too much, I just put a few of every damage type in Rattlesnakes and made my rounds.)

I'm currently running lolmissions with ridiculous fits--2 ospreys with either a harpy, manticore, flycatcher, or cormorant. I'm trying to see how cheap i can go.

I still use these references because I'm brain-lazy.
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#13 - 2013-06-02 06:55:36 UTC
There is seriously no reason to "farm" Missions any more as blitzing is more profitable, especially if you have LvL 5 Security Connections/Negotiation for max LP/ISK and high skills for damage dealing (mostly/all LvL 4+ including Specs).

Quote:
DO NOT SOLO THE ASSAULT. you will be jammed or Tracking disrupted or something, you need at least two ships, because they will ewar, web, and point you.

Kidding right? I solo it in a Rattlesnake every time (RR'd T2 Sentries FTW). I, however, would NEVER solo it in anything that can't drop (5) bonused Sentries unless you had 2+ added modules for sensor strength/range/speed, and even then it'd be painful.

100% of LvL 4's are solo'able with the right ship for that Mission, the right setup for the specific NPC's and the right skills on the player, it doesn't even have to be a 3-5 Billion ISK Shiny Pirate BS.

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Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-06-02 08:26:13 UTC
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-06-02 08:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme more Cynos
DeLindsay wrote:

Kidding right? I solo it in a Rattlesnake every time (RR'd T2 Sentries FTW). I, however, would NEVER solo it in anything that can't drop (5) bonused Sentries unless you had 2+ added modules for sensor strength/range/speed, and even then it'd be painful.


Sensor strength of a CNR/SNI is plenty for the assault. Yeah, you might get jammed one or two times, but that's really not a big deal.

oh, and:

Rain6636 wrote:

missions previews:
Enemies abound 3/5 and 4/5 are the best of the series. if I received part 5 I just cleared it to open up the agent for new missions.


actually, the best EA's are 3 and 5 nowadays in overall value, problem with the 5 is that it's really slow because of the 4 minute spawn-timer for each wave. Sitting there for 2-3 minutes after every spawn is.. boring.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-02 10:08:48 UTC
dread pirate no longer farmable. No respawns since a previous patch.
GreenSeed
#17 - 2013-06-03 15:20:13 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
dread pirate no longer farmable. No respawns since a previous patch.

i had 3 chars with this mission picked, and one with WC, on farm a week ago. i would say that 50% of the time i would get respawns after DT on the Dread Pirate missions, if i had no respawns, on next DT they would be up. or sometimes even half way trough the day after checking the warp ins it would be there. Shocked

now, the respawned missions worked really weird sometimes, rooms with no spawns or sometimes i could actually kill Scarlet on the second room, and i didn't even have point fitted. she just stands there and dies.

if she dies, the last room is either empty, or its full but there are no battleships waves. Cry


anyway, its a weird mission, and it seems some of the triggers it uses to work persist from day to day. bottom line, not recommended for farm.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#18 - 2013-06-03 15:55:42 UTC
The help here should get you farming, just ignore 90% of what rain said due to wrong information and you are good. There are several mission channels in game, but cannot think of them ATM.
Marsan
#19 - 2013-06-03 16:04:41 UTC
Note on datacores. Data cores via research agent really isn't worth it. CCP nerfed this a while back. It's really only worth while doing if you already have the standing for it. Add to that CCP is going to get around to completely removing research agents some day. PI is not bad a bad alternative but it's not completely passive. Also faction warfare sites have a good return for very modest risks, and many folks argue that the isk ratio is better than L4s.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-06-03 19:07:12 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
dread pirate no longer farmable. No respawns since a previous patch.

i had 3 chars with this mission picked, and one with WC, on farm a week ago. i would say that 50% of the time i would get respawns after DT on the Dread Pirate missions, if i had no respawns, on next DT they would be up. or sometimes even half way trough the day after checking the warp ins it would be there. Shocked

now, the respawned missions worked really weird sometimes, rooms with no spawns or sometimes i could actually kill Scarlet on the second room, and i didn't even have point fitted. she just stands there and dies.

if she dies, the last room is either empty, or its full but there are no battleships waves. Cry


anyway, its a weird mission, and it seems some of the triggers it uses to work persist from day to day. bottom line, not recommended for farm.


oh you're talking about waiting for downtime

I was talking about the bug when you warp back into the first pocket, all of the original rats would respawn if you had previously cleared it.
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