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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#41 - 2013-06-01 13:25:16 UTC
I don't really know anything about it, having just trained up Astrometrics to 2 for the possibility of exploring C1-C2 sites in case the arrangements I've made recently don't pan out for me. I honestly don't know the mechanics behind it or how it was or how it will be. I just read this the other day and from the OP it sounds like everything auto-explores now with one click.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#42 - 2013-06-01 13:49:20 UTC
OP and anyone who supports him should immediately biomass and rage-quit.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2013-06-01 13:57:39 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't really know anything about it.... just read this the other day and from the OP it sounds like everything auto-explores now with one click.




Go back to learning about the world through newspapers. This doesnt concern you.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-06-01 14:02:51 UTC
i'm surprised at the lack of overgrown babies crying about not being able to farm 3/10s in highsec with T3s anymore

there sure were a lot of them on the twitch stream, not so much on the forums

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2013-06-01 14:10:16 UTC
Why would anyone rage over what looks to be a continuation of the series of enjoyable, content-creating and game-improving expansions we've been given for the last year and a half?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-06-01 15:20:41 UTC
Zaknussem wrote:
The reason so few are raging is because while there isn't anything NEW and SHINY being added except Navy Battlecruisers, a lot of stuff is being fixed, revamped and reworked. For those that remember, this is Quantum Rise all over again, except instead of optimizations released just before the expansion, we get the EvE Launcher debacle.

With Incarna things were FORCED upon us that we did not want, which goes a long way towards explaining the rage. In Odyssey there's something for almost everyone.

indeed military experts are saying this patch seems to be quite interesting.

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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#47 - 2013-06-01 15:22:48 UTC
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).

The rage is where it belongs: kindergarten classrooms and AM radio
Doddy
Excidium.
#48 - 2013-06-01 15:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).


CQ was an expansion that added nothing to the game for most people who play internet spaceships actually in spaceships. Then there was the whole micro-transaction thing. The real rage was due to comments made by CCP though (greed is good), rather than the actual content.

This expansion continues to re-balance the spaceships which are what is actually important in internet spaceships so most people are quite happy with that. The new content re; exploration is rather underwhelming but its not really rage inducing. In fact the terrible launcher is far more rage inducing.

Given that people were raging at CQ as ccp were pushing out new content rather than fixing stuff surely you can't be surprised there is no rage at this expansion which is doing the opposite, i.e. exactly what people wanted in their rage.
Charlie Jacobson
#49 - 2013-06-01 15:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Jacobson
Unlike CQ, the changes in this expansion actually enhance my enjoyment of internet spaceships. I see no reason to rage about that.

Here's a table flip just for the OP, however: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Haulie Berry
#50 - 2013-06-01 16:01:29 UTC
I was going to rage, just for you, but there's pretty much nothing in this patch I don't like (unless we're counting the launcher, but whatever, I'm over it). What's my motivation, here? What?

Exploration changes? Cool. Tags for sec? Awesome in numerous ways. Resource rebalancing? About damn time. POS improvements? Would love to see more done here, but it's a good start. T1 BS tiericide? Can't wait to try the new geddon. Shocked Navy battlecruisers!!! Dual training? Can't wait for that to drop, I have some alts I'm dying to round out.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#51 - 2013-06-01 16:03:32 UTC
Incarna was raging because it was only one of four CQs, no ship spinning, and a rusty door to stare at.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#52 - 2013-06-01 16:18:24 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't really know anything about it.... just read this the other day and from the OP it sounds like everything auto-explores now with one click.




Go back to learning about the world through newspapers. This doesnt concern you.


Of course it doesn't concern me. I'm rather indifferent to anything since I just got back, I'm just pointing out that there is some rage to be found.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-06-01 16:32:54 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with CQ's (other than my vid card running on overdrive).


CQ was an expansion that added nothing to the game for most people who play internet spaceships actually in spaceships. Then there was the whole micro-transaction thing. The real rage was due to comments made by CCP though (greed is good), rather than the actual content.

This expansion continues to re-balance the spaceships which are what is actually important in internet spaceships so most people are quite happy with that. The new content re; exploration is rather underwhelming but its not really rage inducing. In fact the terrible launcher is far more rage inducing.

Given that people were raging at CQ as ccp were pushing out new content rather than fixing stuff surely you can't be surprised there is no rage at this expansion which is doing the opposite, i.e. exactly what people wanted in their rage.

actually, that's downplaying a bit.

in hindsight, Incarna was the straw that broke the camel's back.

pretty much started with the "18 months" debacle, where development was pretty much nearly all focused on CQ. With that Incursion was deployed, which was quite bland, both on the fix and on the content side, which had a good ammout, but it wasn't that great.
It wasn't really that special this expansion since it added some, removed some, and kept things sorta fresh.
Afterwards was one of my favourite CCP moments which were the introduction of tthe new forums. it was so awesome and good and great that they had to do it twiceLol. Seriously tho, the forums introduction was a failiure. 6 months or so were poured on it and all we had was a feature-striped forum that required massive work, and now, it's still not working at 100%. I mean, where are my graphical signatures CCP? And no, I won't stop pressing on this one, specially because there's still a sticky in OOPE about it.
All this raised tension a bit on the playerbase, and then it came Incarna. With Incarna "Greed is Good" and 1000$ pants happening in the trail of the internal newsletter leaks, Jita shootings happened and all hell broke loose.

The rest is, as the proverbial old people say, History.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#54 - 2013-06-01 16:45:30 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
you mean aside from the fact that it's not "all" we're getting, and even if it was, it's an excellent change?

i think being almost finished with tiericide, a scanning system that isn't tedious and boring, a massive resource shakeup, and some rather nice ui tweaks make a pretty good expansion.

however you're entitled to your opinion even if it is hideously wrong.



I think you might want to look up the word "expansion". Cool

None of the things you listed has anything to do with the word. Changes and updates are not expansions.
They are adding Navy BC's, which, after all the nerfs to normal BC's will be about the same ship you flew two years ago, much more cheaply.

While CCP is seemingly trying to add to the game now, after years of neglect, it's still more of an update, rather than an expansion. So wipe the brown off your nose, and be realistic about this "update".....


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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2013-06-01 16:50:28 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:



I think you might want to look up the word "expansion". Cool

None of the things you listed has anything to do with the word. Changes and updates are not expansions.
They are adding Navy BC's, which, after all the nerfs to normal BC's will be about the same ship you flew two years ago, much more cheaply.

While CCP is seemingly trying to add to the game now, after years of neglect, it's still more of an update, rather than an expansion. So wipe the brown off your nose, and be realistic about this "update".....




So go read the list of changes then.


Lazyass.

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Dave Stark
#56 - 2013-06-01 18:57:48 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you mean aside from the fact that it's not "all" we're getting, and even if it was, it's an excellent change?

i think being almost finished with tiericide, a scanning system that isn't tedious and boring, a massive resource shakeup, and some rather nice ui tweaks make a pretty good expansion.

however you're entitled to your opinion even if it is hideously wrong.



I think you might want to look up the word "expansion". Cool

None of the things you listed has anything to do with the word. Changes and updates are not expansions.
They are adding Navy BC's, which, after all the nerfs to normal BC's will be about the same ship you flew two years ago, much more cheaply.

While CCP is seemingly trying to add to the game now, after years of neglect, it's still more of an update, rather than an expansion. So wipe the brown off your nose, and be realistic about this "update".....




i think it was this thread i said it in. but i'll say it again, i think people are getting "expansions" confused with "additions". when companies go back and expand on content, i'm pretty sure it makes it an expansion. adding new content isn't a requirement of an expansion, especially when content is player driven not developer driven.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-06-01 19:45:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you mean aside from the fact that it's not "all" we're getting, and even if it was, it's an excellent change?

i think being almost finished with tiericide, a scanning system that isn't tedious and boring, a massive resource shakeup, and some rather nice ui tweaks make a pretty good expansion.

however you're entitled to your opinion even if it is hideously wrong.



I think you might want to look up the word "expansion". Cool

None of the things you listed has anything to do with the word. Changes and updates are not expansions.
They are adding Navy BC's, which, after all the nerfs to normal BC's will be about the same ship you flew two years ago, much more cheaply.

While CCP is seemingly trying to add to the game now, after years of neglect, it's still more of an update, rather than an expansion. So wipe the brown off your nose, and be realistic about this "update".....




i think it was this thread i said it in. but i'll say it again, i think people are getting "expansions" confused with "additions". when companies go back and expand on content, i'm pretty sure it makes it an expansion. adding new content isn't a requirement of an expansion, especially when content is player driven not developer driven.



exactly. the content creation is what players do. CCP just gives out some tools and sets some rules.



point in case: scamming.
CCP gave out the tools, and set up the rules, but it's the players that create the scams.

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iskflakes
#58 - 2013-06-01 21:58:39 UTC
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
all we're getting is an improved scanner


You could describe it as "improved" I suppose...

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Khoul Ay'd
The Affiliation
#59 - 2013-06-01 22:47:00 UTC
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:
So yea, where is it? CQ's was being rolled out and there was nothing but tears. This current expac all we're getting is an improved scanner for exploration with a little candy sprinkled in so where is the rage?


Umm, I'll counter your question with another one... Where's the Incarna-like price gouging in Odyssey? The summer of rage was about
golden ammo, play to win and monocles. Oh yeah, and Greed is Good. I hope (fingers crossed) that CCP learned the error o' their ways and never repeat that event.

Anyhow, unless you've seen something I missed there is no Incarna-like ragefest coming , just shiny Eve goodness, such as:

- POS adjustments
- BS rebalancing
- Faction BCs (yeah Hurricane!)
- Scanning & exploration

The things we do today we must live with forever.... Think about it
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-06-02 07:09:40 UTC
The rage?



Oh, it's over in the corner, quietly conserving it's energy.


Why?


Because one day soon, the ability to bypass "the launcher" will go away, and when they implement the new system to streamline the launcher for multiboxing multiple clients, CCP will accidentally put in a piece of code that will permanently delete everyone's main character from their account when they login.


That's why rage is resting... But think of all the free press CCP will get Twisted

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