EVE General Discussion

You're not living in reality you're in a pipe dream. Reality is that DUST should have been Incarna and the cash grab flopped TWO times now. The playstation only thing is another flop. Good luck getting console gamers to hold onto an aging game that's "new and improved" every 6 months rather than playing something that's just "new and good already".


DUSTIES in titans?...I want what you're smokin'.

Funny i don't agree with most reviews of games but this one points out everything i love and hate about DUST 514.

In fact i only play DUST when someone in EVE mentions they want to play or when a "game changing" patch comes up.

My main and currently only reason for playing is the interaction with both games. Something my EVE and DUST self can only look up or down respectively and dream about.

So show me any F2P game that made profit in its first year then.

Hold on I'll start collecting revenue info from all the F2P clones out there...

Considering some of them have a box price I think you're very wrong on that one. What are we comparing this to Combat Arms?

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/eve-online

Metacritic on Eve Online, 69.

Metacritic for Dust 514 56.

I guess we all like ****** games, if you go by the reviews. Considering that Eve Online is not for your average gamer, it isn't surprising the bulk of reviews are negative. If CCP makes Dust like they did Eve, then a similarity of reviews should not be surprising.

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Well, to be totally honest, EVE IS a crappy game. If you are totally and completely objective about it, anyone can see it. I'm not saying that EVE isn't unique, and that is why it still has the subs, even though most of them are alt accounts, but it's still pretty crappy.

The AI in EVE is a joke. Combat is even simpler than tab-targeting of other MMOs, and nowhere near as player-skill-intensive. The amount of "abilities" you can use with any given ship are laughable. Compare it to SWTOR, for instance, where a level 80 can have up to 40 abilities, many of which are meant to be reactive counters to specific abilities of other classes. The amount of content the game offers is miniscule, and yes it's a sandbox and we're supposed to create our own content and blah blah blah blah, but in a good game there would be content built in by default, LOTS of it, and THEN we'd be creating content ourselves on top of that, but EVE is very light in this department. And then there's things like mining, which, let's face it, is one of the dumbest things in gaming today. I mean, the mere fact that this mechanic still exists and is ludicrous at best. So the 69 rating is actually pretty much right on the money, it's actually a little generous I think, considering how sloppy the controls and the UI still are.

Those of us that still play EVE, play it for those few unique things that no other game offers. But don't kid yourself by thinking this makes it a great game. It gets as many things wrong as it gets things right, at the very least. And I feel the only reason it is still around today is because it has had ZERO competition. There simply haven't been any other spaceship MMOs since EVE came out. The titles like Black Prophecy are no more MMOs any more than Battlefield series are MMOs. As such, EVE had a "free ride" to continue to offer this unique gameplay with no competition. But if they were hammered with constant competitors, like the fantasy genre does, I feel it would have either mutated into a viable entity, or died off a long ago. But without it, the things are the way we see now - 500k subs, most of those alt accounts, no real growth, the last PCU record had to be scheduled weeks in advance to beat an event that happened spontaneously two years previously, etc., etc.

And Dust, unlike EVE, isn't protected by that uniqueness and lack of competition. There's tons of FPS games, many of them futuristic sci-fi, many of them F2P, and most of them better. As such, it has even less hope than EVE, because the only thing it does that is totally unique is the connection to EVE, and EVE isn't exactly popular, and thus the connection is meaningless. I said it before, but would a Battlefield 3 player care about his game's connection to Hello Kitty Island Adventure? It's the same with Dust and EVE, average PS3 console FPS player doesn't give a toss about how his gameplay affects a PC MMO that he's never played and never will. The game (Dust) itself has to be good, the connection to EVE isn't a factor. And if the game is not so good (which is something ALL reviews agree on), the game won't do so well. And it isn't. And huge number of people, myself included, have been saying this FOR YEARS since CCP announced they sold out to Sony. But hey, it's not like we know anything, we've just been gamers most out of our lives and for many of us gaming is our biggest recreational expense, so why should they listen to us, right?

All's I'm saying is, all of this was predictable, and predicted with uncanny accuracy a very long time ago. Back when Dust was just a glimmer in someone's eye.

Reviewer said guilds....

Pretty much makes the whole review invalid then, doesn't it?

Quite this (even if irony detected), since it might either be just an accidental brain fart or this reviewer, who criticizes content, isn't even able to differentiate between both.

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What the hell is IGN?