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sniping rattlesnake pve doable?
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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-29 01:59:52 UTC
for pve

rattlesnake, cruise misiles, microjump drive, sentry drones

any issues with this strategy?
Combatevolved
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-29 02:10:40 UTC
Just 1: Why are you asking about PVE in the Warfare & Tactics section?
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-05-29 03:02:31 UTC
Im asking if that tactic works. I want to know if theres a game mechanic, how the AI responds, how sentries work that will make this a worthless strategy.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#4 - 2013-05-29 03:25:26 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Im asking if that tactic works. I want to know if theres a game mechanic, how the AI responds, how sentries work that will make this a worthless strategy.


Then use the mission running forums, not the forums dedicated to PvP and FW.

And yes, it is a worthful strategy and has been used extensively for years.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-05-29 11:15:03 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
Im asking if that tactic works. I want to know if theres a game mechanic, how the AI responds, how sentries work that will make this a worthless strategy.


Then use the mission running forums, not the forums dedicated to PvP and FW.

hint: the words "warfare" and "tactics" have wider meaning

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-29 12:45:52 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
for pve

rattlesnake, cruise misiles, microjump drive, sentry drones

any issues with this strategy?


this is my main PVE system. I didn't use missiles tho. Thinking about it but every time forget to get some launchers. Lol

Works well.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-05-30 02:17:35 UTC
A cruise missile ‘snake is fine for PvE, although there are numerous alternatives that kill NPCs faster. Using sentries alongside cruises may not be a great idea, altho doubtlessly others will disagree. When I did that sort of stuff I used cruises and tech-2 large drones. NPC frigates can be a pain, but the large drones can usually kill them fairly easily.

We used such a snake setup in w-space, where the ship’s great passive shield tanking capacity is pretty awesome … altho it takes forever for the capacitor to regenerate when you lose it.

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Uzbeg Khan
Henehen Conflict Logistics
#8 - 2013-05-31 10:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Uzbeg Khan
Substantia Nigra wrote:
A cruise missile ‘snake is fine for PvE, although there are numerous alternatives that kill NPCs faster. Using sentries alongside cruises may not be a great idea, altho doubtlessly others will disagree. When I did that sort of stuff I used cruises and tech-2 large drones. NPC frigates can be a pain, but the large drones can usually kill them fairly easily.

We used such a snake setup in w-space, where the ship’s great passive shield tanking capacity is pretty awesome … altho it takes forever for the capacitor to regenerate when you lose it.


A T2 fit sentry rattle does what, 800+ dps with cruises out to 80-90km. My rattyrattle makes me 25m ticks which isn't anything special, but it's a very comfortable and easy mini-carrier.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-01 08:50:40 UTC
I dont see why you would want to do it. But you could. Its got an insane tank so why snipe? I use a close range vindi 1700 to about 1100 to 60 k with null. Its shield tanked with only an XL ASB and two hardner, with an extra invul replaceing a web for omni damage when needed.

Point is if a shield vindi can tank everything pve close range a Rattlesnake can too n doesnt need to be sniping. Increasing its damage output at close range would be a better idea.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-01 10:20:43 UTC
Best damage option in regards to drones are sentries so sniping is the natural setup for a rattle

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-06-01 10:54:02 UTC
Best damage option in regards to the Rattlesnake would be torps, drone dam rigs, TPs, flare rig, omni tracking minimum tank and close range imo

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Remeruse
#12 - 2013-06-01 13:54:56 UTC
I can confirm that the following works well for PVE.

High Slots.
4 x Cruise II
2 x Drone Link II


Mid Slots.
Sensor Booster II (Can be swapped out for an Invuln if you like)
1 x each rat specific hardner
2 x Omni Directionals.
1 x MJD


Low Slots.
3 x SPR II
3 x DDA II

Rigs
3 x Large Purgers


Drone Bay

Wardens x 5
Gardes x 5
Bouncer x 5
LIght drones to match rats x 5


I have flown a few different configurations of this fit varying from Torp/AB/Ogre type fits. This fit generates the least ammount of drone agro, good dmg projection and with a bit of planning a real reduction in travelling to gates.

Not a Mach of but pretty good if you miss the AFK(ish) domi fits.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-06-01 22:33:01 UTC
I dont know what most of those abbreviations are is there a list somewhere?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-06-02 01:01:29 UTC
Remeruse wrote:
I can confirm that the following works well for PVE.

High Slots.
4 x Cruise II
2 x Drone Link II


Mid Slots.
Sensor Booster II (Can be swapped out for an Invuln if you like)
1 x each rat specific hardner
2 x Omni Directionals.
1 x MJD


Low Slots.
3 x SPR II
3 x DDA II

Rigs
3 x Large Purgers


Drone Bay

Wardens x 5
Gardes x 5
Bouncer x 5
LIght drones to match rats x 5


I have flown a few different configurations of this fit varying from Torp/AB/Ogre type fits. This fit generates the least ammount of drone agro, good dmg projection and with a bit of planning a real reduction in travelling to gates.

Not a Mach of but pretty good if you miss the AFK(ish) domi fits.



wasting 3 lows and all rigs on unnecessary tank. ASB two hardners and DCU is all that's necessary. BCS, TP, missile rigs

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-02 11:21:13 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Best damage option in regards to the Rattlesnake would be torps, drone dam rigs, TPs, flare rig, omni tracking minimum tank and close range imo


best != most

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-06-03 09:31:54 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Best damage option in regards to the Rattlesnake would be torps, drone dam rigs, TPs, flare rig, omni tracking minimum tank and close range imo


best != most

It is where I come from.

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Uzbeg Khan
Henehen Conflict Logistics
#17 - 2013-06-04 10:42:10 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I dont see why you would want to do it. But you could. Its got an insane tank so why snipe? I use a close range vindi 1700 to about 1100 to 60 k with null. Its shield tanked with only an XL ASB and two hardner, with an extra invul replaceing a web for omni damage when needed.

Point is if a shield vindi can tank everything pve close range a Rattlesnake can too n doesnt need to be sniping. Increasing its damage output at close range would be a better idea.


This is a ship worth three times a much though, and requires alot more attention.

Also; 1700 paper blaster dps isnt 1700 applied dps.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-06-04 11:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Uzbeg Khan wrote:
[quote=Infinity Ziona]
Also; 1700 paper blaster dps isnt 1700 applied dps.


Yes it is with the vindi and if you fit a shield fit and have implants its actually higher than that, also they move pretty fast and can close a large gap and kill the rats faster than a 100km BS would snipe them (usually)

NPCs with a web on them and that kind of dps it is stunning at clearing rooms like worlds collide.


also this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadid=508913 for a glossary of abbreviations

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-04 20:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciyrine
I tried eft for a torp rattlesnake. Looked pretty good on paper. Then i built a navy scorpion with torps and it was 1550 dps(only t2 stuff) 250kehp, microjump, web drones or modules. I was all excited about the paper dps. Then i used eft to test dps against a cruiser sized ship and it went from 1500 paper dps to 50ish dps. Even when i lowered the cruiser velocity to zero and added a painter i only got 70dps against a cruiser.

How would a torpedo boat clear rats smaller than a bs with torps?

The blasters sound like they could be quite effective with a mirco jump drive
Captian Darknipples
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-06-05 23:33:55 UTC
No need for a mjd really. With 3 hardeners and a booster you will be fine even in closer situations(15-55km). Not to mention you will normally do better dps and better tracking with garde II's(2navyomni'sof course) at the same closer ranges, except of course missions/rats with high therm resists. But even then your gardes will rip through them easy enough. I have 4 meta4 cruise launchers and its basically like having a couple extra drones except for the flight time delay. With not even 6mil in sp i am doing around 865 in dps which is fine for me. I have had many mission runners over the years and the rattlesnake is probably my favorite because of new(sortofnew) AI ewar mechanics.