Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Or, how about, a 5m timer, to prevent abuse. You want to use auto-inject? Wait 5min. The alternative is to be there to manually inject the skill as the skill finishes.

The skill itself would need to be consumed to use auto-inject, and placed in a temporary 'implant' placeholder. This could also combine the slots 11-15 implant areas, allowing the auto-inject to still take place at a later date if you remove the pre-req skill, limiting the number of auto-injects queue'd up, and risk losing the 'waiting' skills if you lose your pod.

Can you explain why you think the ability to purchase and inject skills from the market (NPC or player driven) all at once makes the market itself irrelevant? That seems like a huge logical jump to me. The injection change only condenses the payment schedule (up front vs. drawn out). Condensing the schedule is something of a natural brake on the system given the outlay required for anything except core skills and narrowly defined alts. Players who need a more broad spectrum of skills will either have to have the upfront funds (read: they are alts) or will still be returning to the market as their short-term needs change. Maybe I missed something though.


That said: wormholes would love a 'buy from character sheet' option!

EDIT--- Based upon the number of people who are adding penalties to the system in this thread (without stating why they are needed) does indicate that the short-sighted "y u dumb-down eve?!" crowd will have a hissy fit. That alone may, or may not, be reason enough to leave it as -is.

Why?

Since this is something that could be implemented without any other changes it would be interesting to see how many people would want this with the current system.

Edit-- I am not sure why a risk vs. reward argument applies here tbh unless you think the current system is lacking risk.

its not the current system that has no risk its the proposed system of being able to inject a skill you currently can not train to level I on and have no chance to loose it is where the risk vrs reward would be missing.

Indeed. It seems a small price to pay for the mass convenience of the mechanic, if introduced.

That too was the only thing that came to mind. I hope you iron out the issues with implementation, without to many problems.

Challenge accepted sir!



I think the biggest consequence of this is if you want to do this, people will start asking why they can't have queues of over a week, and others will ask why can't we have active skill gain like DUST, and eventually there will be riots for a full on skill system revamp.

Hyperbole aside, another problem would be if you add this feature, some people will probably want auto-training added, where if you pluck down a skill you don't meet the prereqs for, the queue will add in the prereqs as necessary until you can train it. I would like this other feature to be added, so it's basically more work for you guys.

So if you guys touch on this, I think you really should take a full on look at the skill system as a whole. That would be the consequence.

Precisely. In my example, I had trained small and med projectiles to 5, then trained small and med autocannon specs to 4. I already had t2 lazors and t2 hybrids, so all the other required skills are there, so when i finally got off my ass to get t2 800mm autocannons, all i needed was large projectile turret 5 and large autocannon spec 1

and as for you people asking risk vs reward:

with the current system, you have to either travel to the system with the skillbooks and wait to plug them in when the prereqs are met, or haul them to your home station (wherever that may be) and again wait until the prereqs are met. That is the current risk/reward.

if this idea were to be introduced, allowing skills to be injected to auto-queue upon prereq completion, you lose the risk of completely losing the skills. to keep that in check, we have listed several ideas and suggestions for risk to the reward.

also, that other guy that asked about the market becoming irrelevant, thats not what CCP Fear said. he said it would almost make NPC Seeded skills ON the market irrelevant. However, as with another suggestion in this thread, if a buyable skillsheet were introduced, CCP could keep the speciality skills on the market (those obtained in certain areas of space, only found through exploration, etc etc) to purchase, making only the base core skills purchasable from the skillsheet. again, risk vs reward.

I like this, auto-pilot vs. warp-to-zero in the skill queue!

I personally wouldn't mind being able to buy basic, core skills straight off the skill sheet. However, I also agree MOST skills should remain on the market.