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Medical clone - automated upgrade

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Tian Toralen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-05-21 09:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tian Toralen
Just lost 3 days of training because I forgot to upgrade my clone. It was a busy night, fighting all the time and I did not remember how many times I died. Then I did it again - after some running around through null sec I realized I was using an alpha clone.

Proposal - when podded, there is this service that gives automated upgrade to the next clone that holds your skill points. It could be based on new skills, an ISK price, or standings.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-05-21 20:52:07 UTC
SP sink working as intended. Call it a tax on the stupid.Cool
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#3 - 2013-05-22 10:08:06 UTC
Before undocking:

Check clone.

Problem solved.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Anti Sun
Ignovarum
#4 - 2013-05-24 08:27:38 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Call it a tax on the stupid.Cool


+1

Can´t descripe it better :P
Naomi Hale
#5 - 2013-05-25 15:05:02 UTC
I think a pop-up, like missing cargo, would work instead. You get podded and the first time you undock it asks if you've checked your clone, no automation you sort out the clone yourself, but, like every pop-up, you can disable it.

I think after a while everyone would turn it off, but new players to pvp might need the reminder as it's not something seen in many other games. Eventually in would become ingrained to new players and they'd turn it off as well.

It's not always a case of being stupid, if you don't live alone or something in real life happens (phone, knock at door) it's easy to get distracted at the wrong moment.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-05-27 01:41:18 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
I think a pop-up, like missing cargo, would work instead. You get podded and the first time you undock it asks if you've checked your clone, no automation you sort out the clone yourself, but, like every pop-up, you can disable it.

I think after a while everyone would turn it off, but new players to pvp might need the reminder as it's not something seen in many other games. Eventually in would become ingrained to new players and they'd turn it off as well.

It's not always a case of being stupid, if you don't live alone or something in real life happens (phone, knock at door) it's easy to get distracted at the wrong moment.


Optional pop up would be great in my mind. Ive been playing this game for quite a while and I still forget to upgrade my clone from time to time.

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-05-27 04:27:28 UTC
Chitsa Jason wrote:
Naomi Hale wrote:
I think a pop-up, like missing cargo, would work instead. You get podded and the first time you undock it asks if you've checked your clone, no automation you sort out the clone yourself, but, like every pop-up, you can disable it.

I think after a while everyone would turn it off, but new players to pvp might need the reminder as it's not something seen in many other games. Eventually in would become ingrained to new players and they'd turn it off as well.

It's not always a case of being stupid, if you don't live alone or something in real life happens (phone, knock at door) it's easy to get distracted at the wrong moment.


Optional pop up would be great in my mind. Ive been playing this game for quite a while and I still forget to upgrade my clone from time to time.


It's one of the two SP drains in Eve, and the other one only apply to sub skills. It should not be made ineffective. Think of it as CCP extending the game for you beittervets...Cool
Naomi Hale
#8 - 2013-05-27 05:13:45 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
It's one of the two SP drains in Eve, and the other one only apply to sub skills. It should not be made ineffective. Think of it as CCP extending the game for you beittervets...Cool

Are you trolling? I can't tell.

CCP don't need to extend the game, no one has learnt and maxed every skill and I doubt if someone ever did they'd clap their hands and say 'Right, I've beaten EVE!' It especially doesn't work on vets because the longer you play the more invested you are.

But a new player losing their first month of SP (beyond the default 900k clone) to their first attempt at pvp, a gank or gate-camp might decide to leave the game, so as a business strategy it doesn't work. Especially since the older the player the more likely they play using plex.

The only other game I can think of that had a similar mechanic is Lineage II and even there it was used as an exploit to drop down to lower levels rather than a punishment for dying. It's a hold over from a time where MMOs needed to keep people playing through grind and to continue paying a subscription, as an industry I'd like to think we've moved on.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-05-27 18:31:10 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
It's one of the two SP drains in Eve, and the other one only apply to sub skills. It should not be made ineffective. Think of it as CCP extending the game for you beittervets...Cool

Are you trolling? I can't tell.

CCP don't need to extend the game, no one has learnt and maxed every skill and I doubt if someone ever did they'd clap their hands and say 'Right, I've beaten EVE!' It especially doesn't work on vets because the longer you play the more invested you are.

But a new player losing their first month of SP (beyond the default 900k clone) to their first attempt at pvp, a gank or gate-camp might decide to leave the game, so as a business strategy it doesn't work. Especially since the older the player the more likely they play using plex.

The only other game I can think of that had a similar mechanic is Lineage II and even there it was used as an exploit to drop down to lower levels rather than a punishment for dying. It's a hold over from a time where MMOs needed to keep people playing through grind and to continue paying a subscription, as an industry I'd like to think we've moved on.


You're trying to change Eve into something that's not Eve. Medical clones are meant to do what they do. If you're whinning, it's an indication they're working as intended. They don't need to be sugarcoated so that they fail their intended purpose.

tl;dr
htfu
Naomi Hale
#10 - 2013-05-27 20:19:25 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
You're trying to change Eve into something that's not Eve. Medical clones are meant to do what they do. If you're whinning, it's an indication they're working as intended. They don't need to be sugarcoated so that they fail their intended purpose.

tl;dr
htfu

That's a yes on the trolling then.

An optional dialogue warning would change EVE into something it's not? Your EVE is easily broken then.

I'm not whinning, since I've never had this happen to me, I'm pointing out something minor that could help people, particularly new players, enjoy EVE more.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-05-28 02:18:55 UTC
Naomi Hale wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
You're trying to change Eve into something that's not Eve. Medical clones are meant to do what they do. If you're whinning, it's an indication they're working as intended. They don't need to be sugarcoated so that they fail their intended purpose.

tl;dr
htfu

That's a yes on the trolling then.

A dialogue warning would make the system fail their intended purpose?


If it means that the system fails to drain SP from you, then yes.
Svarii
Acclimatization
#12 - 2013-05-31 19:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Svarii
Naomi Hale wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
You're trying to change Eve into something that's not Eve. Medical clones are meant to do what they do. If you're whinning, it's an indication they're working as intended. They don't need to be sugarcoated so that they fail their intended purpose.

tl;dr
htfu

That's a yes on the trolling then.

An optional dialogue warning would change EVE into something it's not? Your EVE is easily broken then.

I'm not whinning, since I've never had this happen to me, I'm pointing out something minor that could help people, particularly new players, enjoy EVE more.


I was podded once at just over 20M SP without an updated clone. You know what I learned, "pay attention".

An automatic clone saftey is tantamount to people wanting autopilot to warp to zero. Your character is already immortal. You should appreciate the fact that you don't get biomassed.

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